I too would love this option, just come over from oscommerce which i have used over 7 years, and never had a problem with uk customers
Id rather have all the prices shown with tax all the way through, customers can understand it better, as they can see straight away the item cost, shipping cost etc on the confirm page
if someone could code it - it would be great
What country is your store in? It appears from your comment that your store is not in the UK, else you would be complying with UK law.pierrelejohn wrote:I too would love this option, just come over from oscommerce which i have used over 7 years, and never had a problem with uk customers
Id rather have all the prices shown with tax all the way through, customers can understand it better, as they can see straight away the item cost, shipping cost etc on the confirm page
Please use proper English at all times, so that all members may understand you.
trouble is mberlant, most people dont seem to understand UK law.
Ive even seen some people charge VAT when they arnt even VAT Registered, they seem to assume that because they bought an item for resale including VAT, that they have some god given right to charge it back to the customer.
Being a self employed partner in an accountancy firm. It really amazes me the level of ignorance concerning some peoples running of their own business.
Again. All products can be shown as including VAT, and at checkout, all totals are shown including the final total which includes VAT, no customer is left wondering why the price has increased by 20%, as this does not happen. They are clearly shown how much something costs all the way through.
And apart from UK law, shall i explain why you should always show sub totals, vat amount and grand total? because sometimes (and this does happen) people calculate vat incorrectly. From an accounting point of view, it doesnt matter, you have to go with what you are given, but at least you can see its wrong and do something about it.
Ive even seen some people charge VAT when they arnt even VAT Registered, they seem to assume that because they bought an item for resale including VAT, that they have some god given right to charge it back to the customer.
Being a self employed partner in an accountancy firm. It really amazes me the level of ignorance concerning some peoples running of their own business.
pierrelejohn wrote:I too would love this option, just come over from oscommerce which i have used over 7 years, and never had a problem with uk customers
Id rather have all the prices shown with tax all the way through, customers can understand it better, as they can see straight away the item cost, shipping cost etc on the confirm page
if someone could code it - it would be great
Again. All products can be shown as including VAT, and at checkout, all totals are shown including the final total which includes VAT, no customer is left wondering why the price has increased by 20%, as this does not happen. They are clearly shown how much something costs all the way through.
And apart from UK law, shall i explain why you should always show sub totals, vat amount and grand total? because sometimes (and this does happen) people calculate vat incorrectly. From an accounting point of view, it doesnt matter, you have to go with what you are given, but at least you can see its wrong and do something about it.
i'm in the uk -
seems like thousands of companies break the law here then, i can take you to 1000's of big name sites that don't break it down, and show the net vat and shipping
seems like thousands of companies break the law here then, i can take you to 1000's of big name sites that don't break it down, and show the net vat and shipping
Im sure those thousands of shops actually break it down in some way whether its in the confirmation order or somewhere else.
I do know when your talking about online shops, that you may find half of those are based in guernsey or jersey where they dont pay vat, so would have no need to show it
I do know when your talking about online shops, that you may find half of those are based in guernsey or jersey where they dont pay vat, so would have no need to show it
like
Marks and spencer
&
Tesco (they show the VAT) like I used to in Oscommerce
shall I find some more ?
so these two companies are breaking the law 
as they aren't showing the net goods OR shipping
You are correct in what you say about what MUST be on a VAT invoive
but the bit you have forgotten is this
99.9 % of my customers aren't VAT registered, so therefore DO NOT need a VAT receipt
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/cha ... voices.htm
I hope the above clears up the confusion
Marks and spencer
&
Tesco (they show the VAT) like I used to in Oscommerce
shall I find some more ?
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as they aren't showing the net goods OR shipping
You are correct in what you say about what MUST be on a VAT invoive
but the bit you have forgotten is this
If you are registered for VAT,[/b] then whenever you supply goods or services to someone else who is also registered for VAT you must give them a VAT invoice.
This guide tells you what information must appear on VAT invoices, who you should issue them to and when you should issue them. It also explains when you can issue a simplified or modified VAT invoice, and when you must not issue a VAT invoice.
When a VAT invoice must be issued
If you are registered for VAT you must give any VAT-registered customers a VAT invoice for any standard-rated or reduced-rated goods or services you sell them.
If you are a retailer, you do not need to issue a VAT invoice or receipt unless your customer asks for one.
99.9 % of my customers aren't VAT registered, so therefore DO NOT need a VAT receipt
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/cha ... voices.htm
I hope the above clears up the confusion
so your customers are probably running their own businesses / self employed - you need to give a vat receiptBeing a self employed partner in an accountancy firm. It really amazes me the level of ignorance concerning some peoples running of their own business.
mine aren't - they are the general public, therefore what I want opencart to do, and they way I want to show the VAT is correct.
Just remember, if your customers 'knew how to run a business' they wouldn't need you !!
So, how will you comply with the law when that first customer demands a VAT invoice when you cease to provide it routinely? And when the second customer demands a VAT invoice? Will you manually generate it in response to each specific request?
Please use proper English at all times, so that all members may understand you.
in six years i have produced 2 vat invoices - excel does the job in 3 seconds
can't really understand what the big issue here is ...
all we want is to show the figures to include tax, and I seem to be slated from others trying to tell me how to run my business.
Can't anyone just give an answer, I thought this was a feature request forum, not a 'how to run your business' forum
can't really understand what the big issue here is ...
all we want is to show the figures to include tax, and I seem to be slated from others trying to tell me how to run my business.
Can't anyone just give an answer, I thought this was a feature request forum, not a 'how to run your business' forum
It seems there are some confusions about VAT and different tax laws in various countries.
I begin with wishing the same thing as many others in this thread, i absolutly need to display ALL prices including VAT!
Before anyone starts to arguing against, let me describe what i mean and what is common practice in Sweden.
In Sweden, VAT is applied on every transaction and private cunsumer are always paying 6, 12 or 25% VAT on everything.
6 and 12% are for books and food and such, on everything else it is 25%.
When a company sell products to private consumers (not VAT registered) it is required that VAT and other taxes are INCLUDED in the product price. The same goes for every other fee, like shipping and soforth. On the invoice/reciept you can have product prices with or without VAT but most common is WITH VAT and below grand total is the text "Including 25% VAT: xxx.xx"
Bottom line, the customer dont need to know how much VAT on every product, as long as they are informed of how much VAT in percent (should be stated in conditions or similar) and the total amount of VAT at the checkout and invoice/reciept.
This is how it works in Sweden and i think other nordic countries, but i totally understand this is not the case in many other.
Why not make OC users the possibility to choose witch way VAT should be displayed?
I begin with wishing the same thing as many others in this thread, i absolutly need to display ALL prices including VAT!
Before anyone starts to arguing against, let me describe what i mean and what is common practice in Sweden.
In Sweden, VAT is applied on every transaction and private cunsumer are always paying 6, 12 or 25% VAT on everything.
6 and 12% are for books and food and such, on everything else it is 25%.
When a company sell products to private consumers (not VAT registered) it is required that VAT and other taxes are INCLUDED in the product price. The same goes for every other fee, like shipping and soforth. On the invoice/reciept you can have product prices with or without VAT but most common is WITH VAT and below grand total is the text "Including 25% VAT: xxx.xx"
Bottom line, the customer dont need to know how much VAT on every product, as long as they are informed of how much VAT in percent (should be stated in conditions or similar) and the total amount of VAT at the checkout and invoice/reciept.
This is how it works in Sweden and i think other nordic countries, but i totally understand this is not the case in many other.
Why not make OC users the possibility to choose witch way VAT should be displayed?
Have you tried the following extention? http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route ... order=DESC
That will replace the regular VAT-interface with the way you are looking for. It only works on 1.4.9.5 though, and there is some problems having it working with your payment modules.
It would be great if someone would write some commercial tutorial for changing the payments modules to fit in, I guess it would be pretty much the same for all payment modules..
That will replace the regular VAT-interface with the way you are looking for. It only works on 1.4.9.5 though, and there is some problems having it working with your payment modules.
It would be great if someone would write some commercial tutorial for changing the payments modules to fit in, I guess it would be pretty much the same for all payment modules..
I guess this topic would need a little reborn..
What about we skip the discussion wherever its an illegal way or not to display the vat is an amount included in the total. I guess its up to each store owner to follow the law in their country, and there are different consensus between countries.
Would this be possible to archive? If so, would that require all payment/shipping modules would need to be suited to fit the new way?
To be honest, from my side running stores in Sweden, this is actually a very critical part since its very confusin/unusual to present the prices the way opencart does. All commercials over here present the vat amount as included in the total, and all other parts are presented including vat.
I cant tell about the law in Netherlands, UK, US etc. But Im 100% sure this isnt illagal at all over here.
Since this is critical for us. Maybe someone would have a try release this change as an extension? $100 wouldnt be a problem at all I guess.
What about we skip the discussion wherever its an illegal way or not to display the vat is an amount included in the total. I guess its up to each store owner to follow the law in their country, and there are different consensus between countries.
Would this be possible to archive? If so, would that require all payment/shipping modules would need to be suited to fit the new way?
To be honest, from my side running stores in Sweden, this is actually a very critical part since its very confusin/unusual to present the prices the way opencart does. All commercials over here present the vat amount as included in the total, and all other parts are presented including vat.
I cant tell about the law in Netherlands, UK, US etc. But Im 100% sure this isnt illagal at all over here.
Since this is critical for us. Maybe someone would have a try release this change as an extension? $100 wouldnt be a problem at all I guess.
Just found this post discussing this important need/feature for Swedish/Scandinavian and probably even some other European countries. The abillity to show subtotal including VAT and in Total a specification on total amount of VAT included in oreder). I illustrate this in below image again!
/Martin J.
/Martin J.
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pierrelejohn wrote:like
Marks and spencer
&
Tesco (they show the VAT) like I used to in Oscommerce
shall I find some more ?
so these two companies are breaking the law
as they aren't showing the net goods OR shipping
You are correct in what you say about what MUST be on a VAT invoive
but the bit you have forgotten is this
If you are registered for VAT,[/b] then whenever you supply goods or services to someone else who is also registered for VAT you must give them a VAT invoice.
This guide tells you what information must appear on VAT invoices, who you should issue them to and when you should issue them. It also explains when you can issue a simplified or modified VAT invoice, and when you must not issue a VAT invoice.
When a VAT invoice must be issued
If you are registered for VAT you must give any VAT-registered customers a VAT invoice for any standard-rated or reduced-rated goods or services you sell them.
If you are a retailer, you do not need to issue a VAT invoice or receipt unless your customer asks for one.
99.9 % of my customers aren't VAT registered, so therefore DO NOT need a VAT receipt
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/cha ... voices.htm
I hope the above clears up the confusion
Kids clothing does not carry vat, so your point is flawed from the start, next one?
My only concern is that if someone requests a vat invoice, you wont have one, thats all im saying. if you feel a simple rewritten invoice with vat broken down is ok, then fine.
@SXGuy
As we said, It differs from country to country. Kids clothing do carry vat in our country. I guess we are all forced to show the vat amount in any way, but how its done differ from country to country. We are used to separate the vat as an included amount, and its actually very confusing to present all amounts without vat, especially when shipping, discounts etc are applied. (over here)
I tried to visit some UK based stores, and I have hard finding someone who present the amounts excluding vat in the confirm page. I don't think esprit.co.uk, topman.co.uk etc. are breaking the law.
So, whatever the this alternative way isnt proper in all countries or not, but If we still want to have the VAT presented in another way. How hard would it be? As so many users are asking for this it would be quite interesting as a commercial extension..
As we said, It differs from country to country. Kids clothing do carry vat in our country. I guess we are all forced to show the vat amount in any way, but how its done differ from country to country. We are used to separate the vat as an included amount, and its actually very confusing to present all amounts without vat, especially when shipping, discounts etc are applied. (over here)
I tried to visit some UK based stores, and I have hard finding someone who present the amounts excluding vat in the confirm page. I don't think esprit.co.uk, topman.co.uk etc. are breaking the law.
So, whatever the this alternative way isnt proper in all countries or not, but If we still want to have the VAT presented in another way. How hard would it be? As so many users are asking for this it would be quite interesting as a commercial extension..
Steelace wrote:Just found this post discussing this important need/feature for Swedish/Scandinavian and probably even some other European countries. The abillity to show subtotal including VAT and in Total a specification on total amount of VAT included in oreder). I illustrate this in below image again!
/Martin J.
VERY good explanation..
Is there a good solution for this now a days?
Yes, there are some extensions for archiving this.
http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route ... order=DESC
http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route ... order=DESC
This is how you display coupon value incl VAT:
1. Open catalog/model/total/coupon.php
2. Find (line 81)
3. Replace with
To display VAT for product prices, shipping costs and coupons in the orders at backside, in invoices, in cart, in confirm page and in customers e-mail use my free mod: http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route ... on_id=8457
1. Open catalog/model/total/coupon.php
2. Find (line 81)
Code: Select all
'text' => $this->currency->format(-$discount_total),Code: Select all
'text' => $this->currency->format(-$discount_total-$tax_rate['amount']),
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