Progress Towards 1.5.0

Excellent - I would buy that.

robster

JNeuhoff wrote: Nice one, looks like a jQuery fancybox with a built-in form and some background opacity, we did something similar using the jQuery colorbox: http://www.derrys.com/contract/online_c ... _farmhouse for adding products to a wishlist and the final submission of the wishlist for quote requests.

Honestly J that is something I think OpenCart needs. I've had plans to make a mod to get rid of the checkout landing pages and have the product info, cart, shipping, payment, confirm all done in an overlay.

I really like how this cart does it:
http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/

It is a little over the top with the loading screens and such, but has a lot of good ideas and keeps it fast and quick to checkout. The checkout is an overlay and works extremely intuitively

Whoah that's pretty sweet!

Oh yeah - Like that one Q. Beats the hell out of cs-crap (sorry cs-cart)

Can you knock this up tonight then?

lol sure thing

Qphoria wrote:

JNeuhoff wrote: Nice one, looks like a jQuery fancybox with a built-in form and some background opacity, we did something similar using the jQuery colorbox: http://www.derrys.com/contract/online_c ... _farmhouse for adding products to a wishlist and the final submission of the wishlist for quote requests.

Honestly J that is something I think OpenCart needs. I've had plans to make a mod to get rid of the checkout landing pages and have the product info, cart, shipping, payment, confirm all done in an overlay.

I really like how this cart does it:
http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/

It is a little over the top with the loading screens and such, but has a lot of good ideas and keeps it fast and quick to checkout. The checkout is an overlay and works extremely intuitively

That's pretty nice, but I think something like that should stay as a mod and not go into the core. There's alot of info on the product page and if you have a really long description you're going to get into scrolling in an overlay and that just gets messy.

Qphoria wrote: http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/

It is a little over the top with the loading screens and such, but has a lot of good ideas and keeps it fast and quick to checkout. The checkout is an overlay and works extremely intuitively

Yeah, but you could do it better than them, Qphoria! ... The first thing you see on that landing page is a loading animation. And ...shock horror, 11 seconds to load (sucks breath through teeth!)

But I get the point: I really like the overlay, and anything fast, quick and clear has to enhance the customer's experience.

So Ajax/jquery tools/anything that works intuitively and elegantly gets my vote Go for it..

Qphoria wrote:
I really like how this cart does it:
http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/

It is a little over the top with the loading screens and such, but has a lot of good ideas and keeps it fast and quick to checkout. The checkout is an overlay and works extremely intuitively

O my god! That is so ugly and indeed way over the top.

Please, if you really need to use that keep those loading screens away because in most cases users think the site does not load and they will move away.

Xsecrets wrote:

Qphoria wrote:

JNeuhoff wrote: Nice one, looks like a jQuery fancybox with a built-in form and some background opacity, we did something similar using the jQuery colorbox: http://www.derrys.com/contract/online_c ... _farmhouse for adding products to a wishlist and the final submission of the wishlist for quote requests.

Honestly J that is something I think OpenCart needs. I've had plans to make a mod to get rid of the checkout landing pages and have the product info, cart, shipping, payment, confirm all done in an overlay.

I really like how this cart does it:
http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/

It is a little over the top with the loading screens and such, but has a lot of good ideas and keeps it fast and quick to checkout. The checkout is an overlay and works extremely intuitively

That's pretty nice, but I think something like that should stay as a mod and not go into the core. There's alot of info on the product page and if you have a really long description you're going to get into scrolling in an overlay and that just gets messy.

Target.com has a "Quickinfo" popup that works nice too:
http://www.target.com/gp/browse.html/re ... e=15676801

Just remember, that if you're going to add a crap load of JQuery, that everything downgrades. You turn off JavaScript, you can't view some of those pages.
Now yes, most people have JavaScript turned on. However, unless it has changed, bots don't use JavaScript. And you need them to be able to browse the site easily and with ease. Yes, there are some bad bots, but do remember, there is Google, MSN, Yahoo! and such that you do want to move around your site
Plus, those sites were really rather slow.

Qphoria wrote:Target.com has a "Quickinfo" popup that works nice too:
http://www.target.com/gp/browse.html/re ... e=15676801

Now that is something really nice looking.

ncc50446@hotmail.com wrote:Just remember, that if you're going to add a crap load of JQuery, that everything downgrades. You turn off JavaScript, you can't view some of those pages.
Now yes, most people have JavaScript turned on. However, unless it has changed, bots don't use JavaScript. And you need them to be able to browse the site easily and with ease. Yes, there are some bad bots, but do remember, there is Google, MSN, Yahoo! and such that you do want to move around your site
Plus, those sites were really rather slow.

you make a point about the spiders, but as far as customer not having javascript enabled they are already screwed on opencart as parts of the checkout require it, so no big deal there, but yes the bots need to be able to see product landing pages for seo in my mind.

ncc50446@hotmail.com wrote:Just remember, that if you're going to add a crap load of JQuery, that everything downgrades. You turn off JavaScript, you can't view some of those pages.
Now yes, most people have JavaScript turned on. However, unless it has changed, bots don't use JavaScript. And you need them to be able to browse the site easily and with ease. Yes, there are some bad bots, but do remember, there is Google, MSN, Yahoo! and such that you do want to move around your site
Plus, those sites were really rather slow.

Since when do bots need to be able to submit a form?
A: They don't. Normal browsing will still happen by the usual anchor tags, just when you're logging in, signing up or checking out, the form will be submitted using an AJAX call.

Ajax forms++
jQuery++

All sites I've built in the past 3 years have used jQuery to submit forms and perform other functions, I've never had any issues.

jQuery isn't slow, nor are many of the libs out there - if you're using IE6 then you might think the site is slow, but thats because IE6's js parser is deadly-slow. (as in, 0.2 seconds to re-render a jquery UI folder tree with 2000 nodes in IE7, FF, Opera etc....or 3 minutes with IE6).

jQuery's minified version is only 70kb.

It's also possible to reference Googles copy - which many sites does, which means that it will probably already be cached on the users PC.
http://code.google.com/apis/libraries/d ... l#jqueryUI
(tadaaa!)

well the size of jquery certainly is not a factor in the new version as opencart has included it for a long time now.

I wasn't saying they needed to submit forms. They don't, and we don't want them to be able to anyways.
What I was referring to was browsing. Turn off JavaScript, and browse a couple of those sites. You wont get very far.
As long as it downgrades for browsing, that's fine. Forms or the cart, bots don't need to worry about.
It's just something to keep in mind.
And it was most likely simply the site server, but was slow. Most times JavaScript it isn't too bad. Though IE 6 does need to die.

Skyhigh wrote:
Since when do bots need to be able to submit a form?
A: They don't. Normal browsing will still happen by the usual anchor tags, just when you're logging in, signing up or checking out, the form will be submitted using an AJAX call.

Ajax forms++
jQuery++

All sites I've built in the past 3 years have used jQuery to submit forms and perform other functions, I've never had any issues.

jQuery isn't slow, nor are many of the libs out there - if you're using IE6 then you might think the site is slow, but thats because IE6's js parser is deadly-slow. (as in, 0.2 seconds to re-render a jquery UI folder tree with 2000 nodes in IE7, FF, Opera etc....or 3 minutes with IE6).

jQuery's minified version is only 70kb.

It's also possible to reference Googles copy - which many sites does, which means that it will probably already be cached on the users PC.
http://code.google.com/apis/libraries/d ... l#jqueryUI
(tadaaa!)

Skyhigh wrote:
All sites I've built in the past 3 years have used jQuery to submit forms and perform other functions, I've never had any issues.

jQuery isn't slow, nor are many of the libs out there - if you're using IE6 then you might think the site is slow, but thats because IE6's js parser is deadly-slow. (as in, 0.2 seconds to re-render a jquery UI folder tree with 2000 nodes in IE7, FF, Opera etc....or 3 minutes with IE6).

jQuery's minified version is only 70kb.

And jQuery has the best performance compared to other javascript frameworks:
http://docs.jquery.com/Release:jQuery_1.3#Performance

ncc50446@hotmail.com wrote: What I was referring to was browsing. Turn off JavaScript, and browse a couple of those sites. You wont get very far.

I can't see how using jQuery only to submit forms would affect 'browsing' if turned off, that would only happen if you're using any JS components (such as a menu) or ajax loading abilities (such as .load) to load page components/views.
Aside from the forms, most of the site would surely still be in basic HTML, meaning you navigate via anchor tags - as usual.

Qphoria wrote: And jQuery has the best performance compared to other javascript frameworks

Just as long as the selectors are used effectively, it can make a big difference with a large number of elements.
http://www.componenthouse.com/article-19

i2Paq wrote:(http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/)
O my god! That is so ugly and indeed way over the top.

Slightly over the top on effects maybe, but terrific purchasing process. That's awesome.

I wasn't referring to the forms. I was referring to sites like this http://www.sourcebits.com/nerve/ that use too much JavaScript. Turn it off, and browse the site. That's what I was referring to. Using JavaScript/Ajax for forms, I have no problems with. That was all I was referring to.

Skyhigh wrote: I can't see how using jQuery only to submit forms would affect 'browsing' if turned off, that would only happen if you're using any JS components (such as a menu) or ajax loading abilities (such as .load) to load page components/views.
Aside from the forms, most of the site would surely still be in basic HTML, meaning you navigate via anchor tags - as usual.

Qphoria wrote: And jQuery has the best performance compared to other javascript frameworks

Just as long as the selectors are used effectively, it can make a big difference with a large number of elements.
http://www.componenthouse.com/article-19

Stores can be like that example.com/store not a subdomain, or an option at least ;p