child-categories in modules

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Post by uralgit » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:02 pm

Hi,
My categories are structured as below. "Authors", "Titels" or "Genres" are parent-categories where "Hugh Aldersey-Williams" is a child-category.
And here is my issue:
What I want to achieve is: to put the child category ( only child like "Hugh Aldersey-Williams" not parent+child like
"Authors>Hugh Aldersey-Williams") under the product-thumbnails in latest or in other modules.
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Authors
> Adam Smith
> Boris Pasternak
> Hugh Aldersey-Williams
>.......
Titles
>The Wealth of Nations
>Doctor Zhivago
>Anatomies
>..........
Genres
>Literature
>Science
>.......
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Thanks in advance for your interests.

After waiting a few days for any help, I want to add an immage to the post. This way -ı hope- the question is more
explanotory.
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I did not meet any extansion to apply for this issue.
Please some help.
Or You may make an extansion which ı will buy.

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Re: child-categories in modules

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Post by straightlight » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:42 pm

The only problem by adding the sub-categories below the main categories is the site optimization based on the size of the sub-categories you may have and also the template scale to maintain on the module. Limiting the sub-categories in the load may be ideal but would also create limited publicity to customers compared to the product category page on the store which may bring confusion to customers afterwards especially when searching for products or when viewing the related products from the product detail page.

However, by adding a more... link with limited sub-categories could be done but wouldn't quite differ compared to the way the categories are currently loading on the store since the customer still has to view the product category page or to use the category header menu to view their sub-categories which is why, probably, the sub-categories link between categories from the modules aren't included in the process at this time.

Therefore, if you have a suggestion based on my above statement that may fit your requirements above, feel free to post it. ;)

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Re: child-categories in modules

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Post by uralgit » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:58 pm

Hi Straightlight,
Your consideration about "....Limiting the sub-categories in the load may be ideal. ......" is the best way to choose. Probably this is the logic our biggest book-sites use.
Here are two sample applications about two successful site's categories and subcategories which are already running on internet (first place and second place of biggest bookseller- sites in Turkey). Categories on this sites ( for authors case which is our issue) is organised in 3 levels. like :
Authors > Alphabetical İndex > Authors name [ below ı send images of this applications ]

We will have a huge amount of subcategories like in my samples below ( thousands of authors and hundreds of genres and tenthousands of products). I can not find a better solution for this situation and this is ok for me. Please write me if you have a different suitable solution for this case. If not, my category-route to 'authors name' will be finally :
" Authors > Alphabetical İndex > Authors name "
Now the Request: I want to put Authors name below every thumbnail in latest and in other modules.
Thanks
Sample 1:http://www.kitapyurdu.com/yazar/default.asp
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Sample 2 :http://www.idefix.com/kitap/yazar_index.asp
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Post by straightlight » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:41 pm

And I thought that suggesting to release contributions by authors would be the greatest feature of the year. Now, there's already a request regarding products by authors. :|

There are two problematic from the screenshots above.

1 - [0-9] also contains [a-zA-Z] characters which could still distinguish the [0-9] with proper matches but would be pointless in this case as it would be a bit puzzling for customers when clicking on that particular link since, even for myself, I would rather expect numeric results than alphanumeric characters on the page result.

2 - The screenshots demonstrates authors based on singularities of products. What if there are multiple matches of the same products that are distributed by different authors (same issue as VQMod right now) ?

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Post by uralgit » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:04 pm

Hi straightlight,
1 . [0-9] is actually not necessary for the subcategory of "authors" . There is no 'authors name' (only one author ) starting with a number.
But on 'titles' and 'manufacturers' (publishers) ı will need it. And even it will not be as [0-9] which describe only numbers like here ; '1001 Nights'. A ' book-title' or a 'publishers name' may start with a number or let's say with an '#' or '?' or any other special character . To be descriptive for such cases we could use a more involving shortage;
[Non Alphabetical Chars] or shorter [Non Alph. Chars] instead of [0-9]
2 . I think this case is much more an input problem where we can not input two authors for one book. Solution for plural authors for the same title is to add all authors into category- authors one by one and to to include the same title into every authors category.
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Post by straightlight » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:07 am

on 'titles' and 'manufacturers' (publishers) ı will need it. And even it will not be as [0-9] which describe only numbers like here ; '1001 Nights'. A ' book-title' or a 'publishers name' may start with a number or let's say with an '#' or '?' or any other special character .
Which brings my previous post stating that this request from [0-9] would no longer be about [0-9] but rather turned into [a-zA-Z0-9] as rational characters which brings more confusion on why would there be any [0-9] if there are text strings involved on the page result.
To be descriptive for such cases we could use a more involving shortage;
[Non Alphabetical Chars] or shorter [Non Alph. Chars] instead of [0-9]
[0-9] does not represent alphabetical or non-alphabetical chars except by the loading priority which OpenCart already uses to load extension modules (sort order).
2 . I think this case is much more an input problem where we can not input two authors for one book. Solution for plural authors for the same title is to add all authors into category- authors one by one and to to include the same title into every authors category.
Which this part would still be confusing because the category author name may represent the same or different products of the same distributor(s). The only out of this confusion would be for each authors to have their own distribution ID string. For instance, each products are unique by SKUs but each merchants should already know that SKUs may be amongst one to many categories already. Authors would need their ID string so that categories could be regrouped into the way you're describing on the topic.

For instance, you have: category-authors . It would rather need to be: category-authors-ID string so that author x may not interfere with the previous existent author name on the database since the ID string would be different for each authors. If they don't have an ID string, then OpenCart could probably generate one for each new created categories but that wouldn't look quite well on the page result from the store-front end - especially for search engines.

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Post by uralgit » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:40 pm

Hi straightlight,


I'm not sure, if ı understand the problem correctly ? I want to find out if ı escape any point of views.
1. Would you please write your proposal for categories concretely? İf you have different approaches ,How, in
which form do you think the organisation of categories?
2. Every category has it's own 'category_id' assigned to itself in database on the table 'category' .
Authors (category) > John Steinbeck (sub-category)(ID string for every sub-category is directly the name of the
author and it is saved in the table 'category_description' )
Do we need some more descriptive data for our catagories? Or do we have to support our categories structure with
some additional features ?

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Post by straightlight » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:42 pm

Do we need some more descriptive data for our catagories? Or do we have to support our categories structure with
some additional features ?
For both questions, yes - we do.

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Post by uralgit » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:26 am

Hi straightlight,

You know the problem so you know the task for the solution. The Solution will probably have a price ? Is it posible that you make it as an extansion which ı will buy. This solution may have a reasonable price for me and your work may generate a better income in total for you ? Actually ı do not have any idea about this extansion-market. Altough I need a support until my site exists on web.

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Post by straightlight » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Please post solutions on how may the problematic above may be solved regarding the way the categories could be regrouped with the same or separate authors on the product-category page of the store-front end and also how manufactured strings could be useful for search engines and related accordingly to your products by using the search feature on OpenCart. If good solutions are provided, I may definitely develop a module for this.

Before negotiating financially, the idea must be properly developed.

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Post by kingcobra89 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:32 pm

uralgit wrote:Hi straightlight,

You know the problem so you know the task for the solution. The Solution will probably have a price ? Is it posible that you make it as an extansion which ı will buy. This solution may have a reasonable price for me and your work may generate a better income in total for you ? Actually ı do not have any idea about this extansion-market. Altough I need a support until my site exists on web.

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you're not good , you always suggest anyone work for you with a so cheap price. Before that , you said i did for you with 10$ if you need me for a long-term . but when i finished you were not keep your promise. and now you find "straightlight" to work for you :laugh:
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Re: child-categories in modules

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Post by uralgit » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:21 pm

Hi kingcobra89,
Please do not confuse everything with each other.
My request about ' child-categories in modules ' appeared first on February 22 on the Board of oc.
And you have interested with the post on 27 February.
On 01 March you sent me your post containing a link to your sample,
which was seen ok for me.

http://edmundtai.com/opencart1551/index ... duct_id=42

Afterwards on 02. March you have send your codes to me after i paid 10.- $ to you.

On the same day, ı wrote to you that your code gives errors.
Did you make any correction on your codes since then ?
No, you did not.
On 5. March i had a question to you : " Hi kingcobra89,Do you have some news ? "
You did not turn any answer to me.

On 08.March i tried to hear any answer from you :

[background=]Sent: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:06 pm
by uralgit
Hi kingcobra89,
Any idea new ??
I think you have finished this post in your mind. But your codes did not work.
Anyway thanks for your interest.

But do not send such codes anybody other.[/background]

After this post, presently, you did not send any answer or any explanation about
your codes which are not working at all.

Finally what i want to emphasize is :
1. Please primarily solve the probem with your paid work. ( actually this money is not important. But to keep your word is important.)
2. Do not mix my relation with straightlight with your relation.
I feel a freely friendship with straightlight. It's a community-friendship, where everybody helps each other.
Straightlight did not promise anything and he must not to help me.
3.Please organize your relations with more care and do not mix yourself to my relations with other people.

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Post by uralgit » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:39 pm

Hi Straightlight,

Here ı want to confine my main remarks about the categories .
If ı skip some points ı hope ıt does not complicate this work.

Big amount of Quantity:
Our products on our site will contain minimum;
40-50 000 books / 5-10 000 Authors / 1000-2000 Publishers
Expansivity : These amounts will double in one year

Accessibility: The main headings of a "book's description" are :
Book Title / Author / Publisher / Genre (topic or subject)
I think this four topics can be our main categories .
I have the opinion to use publisher as manufacturer. In this case we have to put manufacturers(publishers) into main menu like main categories.
But if faster we can put Publishers into main categories and never use manufacturers . (ı would prefere this. In category description we can put several info about the publisher where manufacturers do not have any description area.)
Actually, conditionaly we'll have of course some additional popular categories like;
Bestsellers / Latest / Most Viewed / .....
These will belong to main categories . Main categories can grow up to 10- 12 titles. The Category structure has to have the flexibility to add new main and child categories.
Product list(search result) of every category could be listed alphabeticaly ordered -sellectable- by Titles ( or by authors or by publishers ) with pagination

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Post by straightlight » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:07 am

Since there seem to be two different subjects on this topic, I cannot get involved into them since it has nothing to do with the first post. I apologize for the inconvenience but this topic has become an off-topic one.

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Post by uralgit » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:43 pm

kingkobra89,
You are vulgar, unpolite.
I never have any relation with such people.
I can not behave like you. I will not answer any post from you.
I will forget you as a bad experiance
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