Holy cow, OpenCart Devs -- you guys are amazing.

Hey all, I'm a web developer working on implementing a cart on two unusual types of online shops. I ran into problems with every open-source cart I tried because they were all too bloated and complex. That complexity worked against me when implementing in non-traditional online stores. Believe me, I tried a ton. Then I ran across OpenCart.

Wow...the simplicity, the organization, the extensibility. For companies that just need a SIMPLE cart with all of the necessary features and a little bit of reporting, this is the best solution I've ever seen. I applaud the developers, and I very much hope to jump into the code soon to start contributing myself. It seems as though someone had the exact same woes as me with the complexity of the typical cart software and said "you know what, I can do this better." ...Well, you succeeded. Bravo!

I had this exact same issue, that's why i'm here, that's why i'm a dev.

Glad to see continued support is all worth while.

Glad to hear about your positive experience with OpenCart.

Tiss a great cart.... and the work is appreciated.   

I noted there is some wannabe's from Ausi land who have taken all Open Cart's base code and what it looks like
is just made some minor mods then renamed it karzina.

I had a standard opencart setup for hr medical   - have not heard from the owner for a bit and when I checked his site-- I found karzina.
http://www.hrmedical.us

(Make sure you whois the domains you see in the credit area at hrmedical.us - just put up the end of this year)

The interface looked to familiar so I started checking code and ... dont ya know -- found it to be opencart renamed with this link:  Powered by karzina - open source e-commerce for everyone
http://www.karzina.com/

any one know about this?  I think it sucks when people remove the links to the true developers..

Best

bruce wrote: There are reasons for everything. Have a quick look at http://help.karzina.com/doku.php/history It is very clear on the origins and links back to opencart.

cheers

Bruce

OpenCart is one heck of a program and I applaud the dev. who took the time and dime to put it together.

Other than your reply is pure BS... 

been around too long.  You removed all links on that install when in fact there should be credit inside the source and within
the footer link tpl. back to opencart.com

I didn't put this here to receive feedback from you, but to caveat others.

we were on the web before al gore invented in the 80's building mail tossers in C then OOPS (C++) between FIDONet (Tom Jennings baby ) GTPowerNet and RBBS net and the then message based internet. Finally domain in 1996 and have seen all the wannabe's come and go.

If you continue to use OpenCart (Renamed) you need to add at least a link in the footer template...

I think it sucks when people remove the links to the true developers in the opensrc community.

and thats the truth.

If I may add my 2cents without causing a stir...
OpenCart is a veritable mixed bag of developers, both official and community based code collaboration, along with a bit of a skewed, and at one time, undetermined path. OpenCart's core was developed by Daniel, and along the way a few community members (hm2k, and recently myself) have joined him to help him out with the bug fixes and proper releases and what not. But the community of "unofficial" developers are also one of the greatest assets that OpenCart has.

OpenCart "was" going to be converted into a new framework, which give ample reason to spin a project off. But since then, the project split into 2 separate frameworks, allowing continuation of the much more stable 0.x version. And now with the imminent release of 0.7.9 and continuing the framework into 0.8, there is a likelyhood of less spinoff projects and more focus on the main system.

But OpenCart is young, and aside from code, up to this point no real licensing structure has been setup yet. It's also worth mentioning that the karzina team has been extremely helpful to this community as well. I believe we have the same end goal, regardless of the separation. So giving credit where its due would also mean that we, the OpenCart Team, need to give thanks the fabulous opencart community, especially key members that have been helping even before the official team was brought together.

Perhaps we can someday get one combined major focus and move get all the credits where due when we get to 0.8 and progressive development restarts

Qphoria

Thanks for the feedback...  and the work you have donated to the project.

I wasn't looking at Lic. per say or any other criteria, save common decency and respect.

Example:
I reprogram "core" modules inside the drupal project to customize, among other things... should i pull all of Drupal's Dev. links
and rename Drupal to Lapurd (Drupal backwards) or some thing because I do what I do ( which makes updating a real pain when I choose to do so )????

NO... the team may never say a word, but that honest part of my conscience would.  Even when we work(ed) on Corporate or
Academic accounts where all remained non public web accessible, - if we implemented OpenSrc. the visible links remained in place - even if they were not required to be there.

I guess maybe being over 60 and still geeking around town - I may have a dif. set of ethics in place... but it's heart felt for those
who put in countless hours so all have the ability to use a FREE cart and try and eek a living on the web....alongside gogle, ebay and
the other majors.. ( most whom I saw born here ) 


Take care..

Eagleii wrote: I had a standard opencart setup for hr medical  - have not heard from the owner for a bit and when I checked his site-- I found karzina...
The interface looked to familiar so I started checking code and ...

Oh, so you started checking code, did you? How did you do that? I mean, "right-clicking" on the page and viewing the page source wouldn't have told you much, which only leaves 2 choices - either you downloaded a copy for yourself OR you logged in to what is obviously an EX-CLIENT's hosting provider to have gander for yourself. I suspect you chose the latter!

Which brings me to -

Eagleii wrote: I wasn't looking at Lic. per say or any other criteria, save common decency and respect....

?

I guess maybe being over 60 and still geeking around town - I may have a dif. set of ethics in place...

You certainly do! Especially if you're going round hacking in to EX-CLIENT'S hosting providers! We don't need those kinds of ethics here, thank you very much!

fido-x wrote:

Eagleii wrote: I had a standard opencart setup for hr medical   - have not heard from the owner for a bit and when I checked his site-- I found karzina...
The interface looked to familiar so I started checking code and ...

Oh, so you started checking code, did you? How did you do that? I mean, "right-clicking" on the page and viewing the page source wouldn't have told you much, which only leaves 2 choices - either you downloaded a copy for yourself OR you logged in to what is obviously an EX-CLIENT's hosting provider to have gander for yourself. I suspect you chose the latter!

Which brings me to -

Eagleii wrote: I wasn't looking at Lic. per say or any other criteria, save common decency and respect....

?

I guess maybe being over 60 and still geeking around town - I may have a dif. set of ethics in place...

You certainly do! Especially if you're going round hacking in to EX-CLIENT'S hosting providers! We don't need those kinds of ethics here, thank you very much!

Those who assume reflect the first 3 letters of that word.

My relationship with Kevin (Owner) was not terminated by him or I, until I wrote him the other day stating I would not be a part of or support those who hijack some one else code, remove all the links and references to the authors and call it theirs.  By not hearing for a while I meant - since before Christmas when he asked I do him a Christmas card like this:  http://www.soft-vision.com/2008/ for his family.
The one I did for his business was gratis ( FREE ).   The xmas was never done as he never sent the pics.  I was also working on a mod for his store at his request wherein a client could click on a reorder button within their private area and have a new order form populated
where they could then just press submit and reorder a mirror group of products or remove any they didn't need.  There was also a field
to add a new item...  at his request.  Besides erasing that from my dev disk, prior to, I printed out a copy and I burned it. (g)

NOTE:
He was also copied in on all the posts that transpired here, prior to my asking he never contact me again.

Normally when I find one wannabe there is a pack who are doing the same damn thing.  Are you in that pack? 

To remove the links back to those who spent countless hours with Open Cart creation is no more/no less fraud, even if it is opensrc and
those who created have no desire to take action. 

This thread is dead as far as I am concerned, the perp doesn't deserve this much attention, nor is it within the intent of the thread to thank those who brought birth to the program.

and thats the way it is...

my last letter to Kevin.

From: Joe
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To: kevin
This is my last email on this or any thing else.

no need for any reply - you are now blocked - and I know it's a fact you never listened to nor followed your mothers directions.

Those folkers opened shop about a month ago... stole OpenCart and renamed.  BS

an over 60's geek who cares about the opensrc developers.

Take it elsewhere kids