Per 1. January 2022 the consumer rights regarding digital products (e.g. downloads) and digtal services will change.
The most important rules are
> The mentioned EU directive extends the periode users can claim a "error/bug free" product (here a download) for two (2) years (if it is a cloud or SAAS service, the whole time the contract exists)
> The seller has the obligation to provide a error free software within 14 days - for free - after the bug is detected
> If the downloaded product is published under a "free" license (e.g. GNU/GPL) and no price has to be paid for it, the directive is NOT valid (see (32) English text)
The directive must be implemented by all member states (of the EC - European Countries) not later than the 1. January 2022.
Read the docs:
[EN] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj?locale=en
[EN] https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/c ... in_eu.html
[DE] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj?locale=de
[DE] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richtlini ... ichtlinie)
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A lot can change in 2 years - all sorts of other parts of a software stack might be updated in that time and even a small change can introduce bugs. If a piece of software is running bug-free for 1 year then any bugs found after that time are likely (though not definitely) new ones introduced by changes outside the developer's control.
That's another reason why I'm glad the UK isn't in the EU anymore, along with the stupid cookie popups, GDPR nonsense, and digital place-of-supply VAT rules!
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Your opinion.paulfeakins wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:33 pmThat's another reason why I'm glad the UK isn't in the EU anymore, along with the stupid cookie popups, GDPR nonsense, and digital place-of-supply VAT rules!
But what do you think, are the other 27 glad not to have the UK anymore "onboard"?
While UK is subjective, what about Scotland (for example)?
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It seems Scotland would mostly like to remain in the EU, and it seems they might leave the UK and do so.
But how is it, the same people who say we're stronger together and should remain in the EU, say that Scotland should have its independence? Why is independence ok for Scotland but a bad thing for the UK to want?
There are pros and cons to the EU, but their regulation of our industry is just stupid.
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While I agree with many of your points (and many not ..), but we all should not forget, that the "Industry" has made rules the last years, many do not agree - and do not want.paulfeakins wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:18 pmThere are pros and cons to the EU, but their regulation of our industry is just stupid.
As example "cookies".
What the advertising industry made if such lousy text is behind of good and sense!
Yes, some of what the Commission (there are only sitting many useless "burokrates") is doing, is far, far away of usefull.
But also many good improvements are made all over the years.
I think, we let that discussion here Paul - maybe once when we will, meet we could do this while drinking a good glass of Pint.
I really respect what you are doing, so better not discussing about politics.
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Yes indeed, but like Elon Musk said, this should be a browser setting! Because there are ~1 billion websites - should we force every single one of them to annoy users with a popup so that they can block their own cookies? What if the website owner decides not to block cookies even so? They will never be found out! Instead it should be a browser setting and then it would be very easy to properly control cookies! You see the rules are designed by people who really don't understand enough to make proper rules!
I never get offended or upset by these discussions so don't worry, and of course we respect your excellent work too!
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That such exist: DNTpaulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:39 pmYes indeed, but like Elon Musk said, this should be a browser setting!
...
Instead it should be a browser setting ..
If all would follow this advice, those boring cookie banners become obsolete immediately!
Next time when I will be in London, I hope we both have the time to meet.paulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:39 pmI never get offended or upset by these discussions so don't worry, and of course we respect your excellent work too!
btw: how is the Reigate Hill Golf Course to play?
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Exactly, and the web would be a better place!
Sure, you could come to the office and join us for lunch perhaps!
The Golf Course is nearby but sadly I'm terrible at golf
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Well, California has laws in place about DNT so it isn't just the EU trying to figure out the Internet...OSWorX wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:20 pmThat such exist: DNTpaulfeakins wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:39 pmYes indeed, but like Elon Musk said, this should be a browser setting!
...
Instead it should be a browser setting ..
If all would follow this advice, those boring cookie banners become obsolete immediately!
(stuff about Golf...)
And the Firefox browser has DNT (Do Not Track) setting under Settings/Custom
Thanks for the information - is new to me (California & CalOPPA).
FF is already known - some of my extensions make use of it ..
And what I have meant, if all respect the DNT setting (and all browser would have it), we all would have an easier life.
FF is already known - some of my extensions make use of it ..
And what I have meant, if all respect the DNT setting (and all browser would have it), we all would have an easier life.
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Thanks a lot for docs, but have you got a french version ?OSWorX wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:07 amPer 1. January 2022 the consumer rights regarding digital products (e.g. downloads) and digtal services will change.
The most important rules are
> The mentioned EU directive extends the periode users can claim a "error/bug free" product (here a download) for two (2) years (if it is a cloud or SAAS service, the whole time the contract exists)
> The seller has the obligation to provide a error free software within 14 days - for free - after the bug is detected
> If the downloaded product is published under a "free" license (e.g. GNU/GPL) and no price has to be paid for it, the directive is NOT valid (see (32) English text)
The directive must be implemented by all member states (of the EC - European Countries) not later than the 1. January 2022.
Read the docs:
[EN] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj?locale=en
[EN] https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/c ... s_in_eu.html
[DE] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj?locale=de
[DE] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richtlini ... ichtlinie)
What about that here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj?locale=frAlexcrypto wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pmThanks a lot for docs, but have you got a french version ?
p.s.: there is a language switch at the top of the page and the ranslation can be also switched to several languages!
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Your subjective critiques aside; cookie banners are there to protect consumers. You don't need a cookie banner if said cookies are functional. A cookie banner is only required if you use this technique for marketing purposes, e.g. sell consumer data or use it to track consumers.
My shop never did any of that nonsense and I fail to see why I have to track visitors, sell their data to third parties or feed Google et al.
If you're bashing the EU, which it certainly deserves occasionally like any other country/state/union/etc., please get your facts straight.
My shop never did any of that nonsense and I fail to see why I have to track visitors, sell their data to third parties or feed Google et al.
If you're bashing the EU, which it certainly deserves occasionally like any other country/state/union/etc., please get your facts straight.
Would be too good if true.viopencart wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:54 amYour subjective critiques aside; cookie banners are there to protect consumers. You don't need a cookie banner if said cookies are functional. A cookie banner is only required if you use this technique for marketing purposes, e.g. sell consumer data or use it to track consumers.
In real, every website owner is "selling" his visitor data to Google and consorten.
With every load of fonts, libraries,e tc.
This may not got into their heads, they like the possibility to load each and every piece of sh** automatically.
Beside this, a cookie banner should not be presented .. IF
a. the marketing industry
b. website owners
would do a better job.
And: a "cookie banner" does NOT protect consumers.
The opposite is true: it tries to protect the website owners.
And least: no cookie has to be "functional".
There are other techniques such informations can be shared.
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