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Present OpenCart v.1.4.9.1

I would be helpful if the next OpenCart version would include the following when showing product prices in the online store. Example: Product X. Price: X € "including 19% VAT + Post & Packing (link)".

Also, it would be nice if the prices in the invoices would include the tax in the sub-total instead of showing the net price.

Another issue would be that we could enter prices including VAT in the product list instead of having to calculate the net price.

Anyway, I appreciate OpenCart and the work that has gone into it. Thanks!

Thing is, i dunno how you do it in the EU, but in the UK, if you are VAT registered, then you are required by law, to show VAT seperated from the Gross Price. Its not enough to just say £X inc vat.

This goes even more so for the invoice, but as a tip for the future, if you want to know what the net is minus any VAT percentage, just use a calculator

Now an option to generate net from gross with a VAT group set up would be a better option if you wanna save time working out price / 100 * vat%

SXGuy wrote:Thing is, i dunno how you do it in the EU, but in the UK, if you are VAT registered, then you are required by law, to show VAT seperated from the Gross Price. Its not enough to just say £X inc vat.

This goes even more so for the invoice, but as a tip for the future, if you want to know what the net is minus any VAT percentage, just use a calculator

Not true. This goes ONLY for the invoice. On the shop you can show total price including tax without showing price and tax separately. From the customer viewpoint that is preferable. Check www.amazon.co.uk

SXGuy wrote:in the UK, if you are VAT registered, then you are required by law, to show VAT seperated from the Gross Price. Its not enough to just say £X inc vat.

This direct.gov site says, roughly:
1. Consumers only website - price shown must be VAT inclusive
2. Business and consumer website - can show price without VAT, but VAT inclusive price must be given equal importance
3. Nothing is said about B2B, but price ex VAT only is acceptable on such a site - as far as I know.

OC2PS is right about the invoice, if you're selling to a VAT registered customer.

-- It would be good to have an admin option/mod for (2) - show price with and without VAT.

You know, i think your right, i was getting confused.

If you are vat registered and you show a price inc vat then its the vat registration number that much be shown, not the actual vat breakdown.

Sorry for my stupidity

Not at all. There is so much you are supposed to do, or not supposed to do with VAT, I don't think any normal human being could remember it all

Tell me about it, like if you live in the uk and you need to reclaim vat from another EU country, you can only do so if that EU country havent added their own vat on to the net price, and you have to then, add your own to it, then deduct it back on the vat return.

Its very confusing lol

sorry for going off topic, ill shut up now

SXGuy wrote:Tell me about it, like if you live in the uk and you need to reclaim vat from another EU country, you can only do so if that EU country havent added their own vat on to the net price, and you have to then, add your own to it, then deduct it back on the vat return.
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Best way is to make sure they invoice you without VAT. I deal with companies in France and Spain and they are fine with it once they have my VAT number.

No mucking about that way as you don't need to claim anything back.

Raises an important feature request.

Now in OC we can have different customer groups...for simplicity, let's say end-customers and distributors. Based on what Gavin said, may make sense to associate VAT with customer groups.

e.g. to end customers, show prices including VAT
to distributoes, show prices in price + VAT format
to VAT registered distributors show (and charge) only price without VAT (also gotta be a place to store distributors' VAT numbers)

gavin m wrote:

SXGuy wrote:Tell me about it, like if you live in the uk and you need to reclaim vat from another EU country, you can only do so if that EU country havent added their own vat on to the net price, and you have to then, add your own to it, then deduct it back on the vat return.
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Best way is to make sure they invoice you without VAT. I deal with companies in France and Spain and they are fine with it once they have my VAT number.

No mucking about that way as you don't need to claim anything back.

This is true, however by law, you should be submitting a VAT Puchase List, from those countries with every vat return, thats if your buying goods for re-sale in the uk.

I understand, that adding vat to the item, then deducting it from your vat return, makes no difference in terms of paying/reclaiming vat, however the fatcats at HMRC still want it done this way, dont ask me why lol

Its a good point to note, that so long as another eu country has your vat number, they wont add their vat on to the item, if they dont have it, they will, and then you have to be registered for vat in their own country to claim it back, so if we are going to recreate a distributor list with details of vat numbers etc, its a good point to note, that you may need an option for each product, which asks whether vat @ country of purchase was added or not, because if it was, then you have to include it in your accounts as the gross amount to be taxed, not the net amount.