Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Purebeads wrote: But doesn't an item have to be disabled in order to prevent it from appearing in the cart? I can't have hundreds of out-of-stock items showing up in the cart. Disabling an item is how you keep your customers from seeing it.

But this isnt currently a feature of opencart. Disabling a product when it goes out of stock is a mod tutorial of mine. Not to say this shouldn't be an option in the core, but that would be the first step. Then perhaps we can add the ability to save default sorts and filters

Qphoria wrote:

Purebeads wrote: But doesn't an item have to be disabled in order to prevent it from appearing in the cart? I can't have hundreds of out-of-stock items showing up in the cart. Disabling an item is how you keep your customers from seeing it.

But this isnt currently a feature of opencart. Disabling a product when it goes out of stock is a mod tutorial of mine. Not to say this shouldn't be an option in the core, but that would be the first step. Then perhaps we can add the ability to save default sorts and filters

I'm afraid you've lost me. A shopping cart which can't hide items when they go out of stock is a cart which is lacking an essential feature.

I don't know what a "mod tutorial" is.

Purebeads wrote:

Qphoria wrote:

Purebeads wrote: But doesn't an item have to be disabled in order to prevent it from appearing in the cart? I can't have hundreds of out-of-stock items showing up in the cart. Disabling an item is how you keep your customers from seeing it.

But this isnt currently a feature of opencart. Disabling a product when it goes out of stock is a mod tutorial of mine. Not to say this shouldn't be an option in the core, but that would be the first step. Then perhaps we can add the ability to save default sorts and filters

I'm afraid you've lost me. A shopping cart which can't hide items when they go out of stock is a cart which is lacking an essential feature.

I don't know what a "mod tutorial" is.

no its not. you can always diwsable the product with the status field. there are many options for out of stock items. if out of stock allow checkout, displaying out of stock messages, etc..

Also if a product goes out of stock and the payge disappears for a week this is very bad for the search engine rankings. better to leave a message like available on 10/02/2011.

I would think if you have a product that is end of like instead of just leaving it there you would delete the product instead of disabling it. So yeah having product that you do not stock and will never stock again in your cart I would think is a strange business practice.

Purebeads, couldn't you just write a vqmod and tag onto the Where clause something like quantity > 0 in the product model
and then you write another vqmod to do whatever you want in the admin product list display.
I know you don't like modding core files so vqmod is just the thing to use.

I personnally like leaving my out of stock products on display as my buyers like buying out of stock items and then I get more in. But I do understand your situation and a vqmod would be the way I would choose to fix the problem.

Daniel wrote:

Purebeads wrote:I'm afraid you've lost me. A shopping cart which can't hide items when they go out of stock is a cart which is lacking an essential feature.

I don't know what a "mod tutorial" is.

no its not. you can always disable the product with the status field. there are many options for out of stock items. if out of stock allow checkout, displaying out of stock messages, etc..

Also if a product goes out of stock and the page disappears for a week this is very bad for the search engine rankings. better to leave a message like available on 10/02/2011.

The statement that I made above was a general statement. OpenCart does have a method of hiding an out-of-stock item (thank goodness).

I just realized that we're having a misunderstanding. You and Qphoria seem to think that most out-of-stock items will be restocked. What I'm talking about are items that are gone forever and will never be restocked (like old camera models, or in my case, bead styles that are no longer being made). As the merchant, I don't want to have to look at all those old, permanently out-of-stock items every time I go onto the Products page. It's for that reason that I want the Products page to open with Enabled as the default status. I'll start a new thread about it.

jty wrote:Purebeads, couldn't you just write a vqmod and tag onto the Where clause something like quantity > 0 in the product model
and then you write another vqmod to do whatever you want in the admin product list display.
I know you don't like modding core files so vqmod is just the thing to use.

I personnally like leaving my out of stock products on display as my buyers like buying out of stock items and then I get more in. But I do understand your situation and a vqmod would be the way I would choose to fix the problem.

jty, as I've pointed out before in this forum, not every merchant is a PHP programmer. I don't know how to do the things you mentioned above.

As I say in my post right above, I'm talking about items that will never be restocked. I want to leave them in the cart's database (because the cart is now tracking my inventory for me), but I don't want to see them every time I open the Products page.

Daniel wrote: Also if a product goes out of stock and the payge disappears for a week this is very bad for the search engine rankings. better to leave a message like available on 10/02/2011.

Whenever I put a product is out of stock, and then put an available date in the future, the item gets removed from the front end

alex1 wrote:

Daniel wrote: Also if a product goes out of stock and the payge disappears for a week this is very bad for the search engine rankings. better to leave a message like available on 10/02/2011.

Whenever I put a product is out of stock, and then put an available date in the future, the item gets removed from the front end

I think that Daniel means to put the message in the product description/info, not to actually set the available date in the future.

take it from me as I have worked on lots of large retail sites. profesional stores would not delete products and just disable the ones that will not be restocked.

If you don't want the products to show disable them manually. when you get up in the morning after you send your orders out sort the products via quantity and disable the ones with 0. its not hard. if you are never restocking and it really bothers you then delete the products.

thats how its done!

I know this not related to this topic just want to know if there is any plan of adding MSRP/List price and MAP? In USA, MAP is a big issue if you don't comply with them particularly on the Electronics market. Many times I got notice from the Manufacturer notifying violation of MAP policy and my distributor refused to ship those products.

cartpro wrote:I know this not related to this topic just want to know if there is any plan of adding MSRP/List price and MAP? In USA, MAP is a big issue if you don't comply with them particularly on the Electronics market. Many times I got notice from the Manufacturer notifying violation of MAP policy and my distributor refused to ship those products.

MAP pricing field (not displayed in public cart) would be nice, if MAP is used would carry over to price field

Purebeads wrote:
I'm afraid you've lost me. A shopping cart which can't hide items when they go out of stock is a cart which is lacking an essential feature.

I don't know what a "mod tutorial" is.

Are you not currently running opencart? By default it does not have the option you are describing. I made a mod post about how to add it as a mod in the modifications forum but its not a typical feature

Daniel wrote:take it from me as I have worked on lots of large retail sites. profesional stores would not delete products and just disable the ones that will not be restocked.

If you don't want the products to show disable them manually. when you get up in the morning after you send your orders out sort the products via quantity and disable the ones with 0. its not hard. if you are never restocking and it really bothers you then delete the products.

thats how its done!

Daniel, that is what I am doing. However, that's not the issue that I first raised. In my first post about this, I asked for a way for OpenCart to hide the disabled items by default when I go onto the Products page. It has gotten very tedious to keep selecting the Enabled filter and to reload the page so I don't have to look at all the old items. People are not reading what I'm saying carefully enough.

Purebeads wrote: In my first post about this, I asked for a way for OpenCart to hide the disabled items by default when I go onto the Products page. It has gotten very tedious to keep selecting the Enabled filter and to reload the page so I don't have to look at all the old items. People are not reading what I'm saying carefully enough.

The feature you really want is called "Allow setting default filters" and it can be something to look into. We don't think in terms of "me me me" but in terms of general usage for others. You may want to filter by enabled by default while others may want to filter by lowest qty by default, or others may want to filter by date_added, etc.

Qphoria wrote:

Purebeads wrote: In my first post about this, I asked for a way for OpenCart to hide the disabled items by default when I go onto the Products page. It has gotten very tedious to keep selecting the Enabled filter and to reload the page so I don't have to look at all the old items. People are not reading what I'm saying carefully enough.

The feature you really want is called "Allow setting default filters" and it can be something to look into. We don't think in terms of "me me me" but in terms of general usage for others. You may want to filter by enabled by default while others may want to filter by lowest qty by default, or others may want to filter by date_added, etc.

Yes, the ability to set the defaults is what I want. Just keep in mind that over time, most merchants will have more permanently out-of-stock items in their cart than in-stock items (we live in a world of constantly changing styles and product models), so a way to hide those permanently out-of-stock items by default will be very useful.

Purebeads wrote:Yes, the ability to set the defaults is what I want. Just keep in mind that over time, most merchants will have more permanently out-of-stock items in their cart than in-stock items (we live in a world of constantly changing styles and product models), so a way to hide those permanently out-of-stock items by default will be very useful.

Over time "most merchants" would keep their business up to date and manage their online store by deleting obsolete products from the cart. If you want to keep a record of old stuff you'll never need again then create a backup and file it where you can get to it when you've time to reminisce about your old products.

Daniel wrote:what do people think of the template?

is it ok or should i start on a nother one? also is there any graphic designers that can improve the template possibly?

I think the template is great because that's what it is - a template. It is a good foundation on which to build your store. If you can't make changes to it to get it just how you want then that's what the mods etc. are for. And the forums where people help us to make the changes we want. I know nothing about coding but with mods, tutorials and help my store looks nothing like the 1.4.9 template.

To make it fabulous for each store 'out of the box' is impossible. And to constantly change it because of this thread seems like it might delay the release.

I know I only joined OpenCart at 1.4.9.1 so I've not seen a major update before but surely the template can be tweaked in the revisions that come out?

TAC wrote:

Purebeads wrote:Yes, the ability to set the defaults is what I want. Just keep in mind that over time, most merchants will have more permanently out-of-stock items in their cart than in-stock items (we live in a world of constantly changing styles and product models), so a way to hide those permanently out-of-stock items by default will be very useful.

Over time "most merchants" would keep their business up to date and manage their online store by deleting obsolete products from the cart. If you want to keep a record of old stuff you'll never need again then create a backup and file it where you can get to it when you've time to reminisce about your old products.

Sorry, but I think you're wrong. I never intend to delete any item from the cart. Permanently out-of-stock items will simply be disabled. I need that record of what was posted in the past, and if I delete an item altogether, then that information is gone for good.

Also, In my business, old items can come back on the market. They usually don't; but if they do, I don't want to have to go through the posting process again. Furthermore, my shopping cart serves as my database of products, as I'm sure that it serves as a database for other merchants.

I understand that I just think you would be in the minority. The only way to actually know would be to do a survey or take a poll but that's probably a bit OTT.

You could use the Export/Import tool to keep a track of old products in case you need them again. It would free up space in the store and stop you having to keep disabling items. The spreadsheet that the Export/Import produces is an excellent record of products.

The only thing that we can probably all agree on is that we all want different things from our shopping cart software.