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Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:25 am
by CyberWizard
Is there an estimate on when exactly OpenCart 1.3.5 will be released? I am asking because I am interested in incorporating OpenCart into my hosting company. However, the bugs that are in the current version will need to be corrected.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:52 pm
by Pete
Looking forward to version 1.3.5 as OpenCart gets better and better with every release. Prompted from Daniels polling suggestion thought I'd add my main issue.
I was about to start customising on version 1.3.4 but think I will hold off till 1.3.5, skipping version 1.3.3 and 1.3.4. I say customising as I still have a big issue with Opencart, and that is the way it relates to a shops pos system. The key for a product on a shelf is the unique required reference or SKU used by a stores inventory system. In V1.3.2 I used the model number for this, but with V1.3.4 a SKU has been added. However the model number and sku should be changed around as an sku should be required (even if it defaults to the product_id from product table with "SKU" prefix) and model number should be optional. A user may search for a product model number but if it is a generic product then model number is pointless.
The other main issue with products is the options and relating them back to the stockroom. To show you what I mean you can see what I did to V1.3.2 at http://www.thenurseryshop.com/index.php ... path=71_40 for clothing range. In this example the model number for the product table is an arbitrary value. As the user selects a size then the option model number (here I put a column in the product_option_value table called option_model) changes. If added to the cart the model number of the option is carried all the way through to the shopping cart and to the sales history. Based on the option quantity (another new column in product options) the products availability is shown and business rules applied to the availability as to if a user can add the item to the cart. Also I added the function to change the product image based on the selected option (this can be seen in action at http://www.wadiam.com/opencart_v1.3.2_m ... duct_id=48 ) . In my option modification only one option can be added per product.
So if a product had size small, medium, large and could be in blue, green or yellow rather than have an option for colour and one for size it would have to be combined as one eg. Small-Blue, Small-Green etc. but I think if you are making more than one option for a product then rethink as the different colours should be different products and only the option of size. The problem with working several options for a product and relating it back to an item on the shelf is that a matrix is required to link multiple variations to a single item. This gives rise to a solution as with Xcart that overcomplicates the administration and tests the staff who are charged with keeping the content up to date.
From what I can see from V1.3.4 this is still an issue for me, as although there is a field for option quantity it is not linked back to an SKU for an item in the stockroom.
It would be interesting to know how many others OpenCarters have this as an issue. If the interest is there happy to get more involved in this, as would be great for me if it was in future releases.
Also my preference in the admin forms is for horizontal tabs.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:34 pm
by i2Paq
Pete wrote:Looking forward to version 1.3.5 as OpenCart gets better and better with every release. Prompted from Daniels polling suggestion thought I'd add my main issue.

*knip*

Also my preference in the admin forms is for horizontal tabs.
Why not just waited on the Polling topic about what should be added first or add your "whislist" to the already existing Feature Requests topic and keep this topic what it is, a discussion on the soon to be released 1.3.5 and the new design of the Admin part.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:25 pm
by Xsecrets
Pete wrote:However the model number and sku should be changed around as an sku should be required (even if it defaults to the product_id from product table with "SKU" prefix) and model number should be optional.
I completely disagree. I think the fact that the SKU is available is enough. I have worked on hundreds of shops and maybe 15% have used the SKU number. I would much rather have the option available for the 15% rather than inconvenience the other 85% by making them enter something they do not use.

Multiple SKU's for options and option combination's are a very complicated issue, and I wouldn't expect a solution in this version.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:21 am
by Litriem
I am looking forward to installing v1.3.5.

Thank you for such a great shopping cart. I have just installed v1.3.4 and I like your shopping cart product.

Before I invest the time into setting up v1.3.4 with products, can you tell me if v1.3.5 will have an upgrade option?

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:47 am
by ekerazha
Blogexecute wrote: OpenCart must satisfy what are the needs of many for the few and the customizations are done at the request directly to Daniel.
I invite the developers to make only the changes are common issues.

For example in Italy we use 2 additional fields for the tax laws but we have asked Daniel to incorporate this change on the default package.

We Italians add these fields because this is our personal needs!
I'd say European Union (not only Italy) is a pretty large share...

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:38 am
by Daniel
Blogexecute wrote:In fact, the issue covers problems and needs.
OpenCart must satisfy what are the needs of many for the few and the customizations are done at the request directly to Daniel.
I invite the developers to make only the changes are common issues.

For example in Italy we use 2 additional fields for the tax laws but we have asked Daniel to incorporate this change on the default package.

We Italians add these fields because this is our personal needs!

Sincerly, Marco

I am going to add the extra fields. please remind me after the next release.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:00 am
by ekerazha
They are, for all the EU countries.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:13 am
by i2Paq
ekerazha wrote:They are, for all the EU countries.
Correct, here in The Netherlands we also need these fields.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:33 am
by metaphist
Any outlook on when this version will be out?

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:52 am
by CyberWizard
metaphist wrote:Any outlook on when this version will be out?
I think that is the question everyone is anxiously waiting for an answer to ;)

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:15 am
by Sheldon.Kirk
I think Horizontal looks best as well Daniel. Then it keeps it away from trying to copy Magento as well.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:24 pm
by CyberWizard
Sheldon.Kirk wrote:I think Horizontal looks best as well Daniel. Then it keeps it away from trying to copy Magento as well.
Agreed, the horizontal tabs display a more professional feel of the admin control panel. Hopefully it won't be too much longer until we get to use 1.3.5 for ourselves. ;)

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:10 am
by ekerazha
ekerazha wrote:
Blogexecute wrote: OpenCart must satisfy what are the needs of many for the few and the customizations are done at the request directly to Daniel.
I invite the developers to make only the changes are common issues.

For example in Italy we use 2 additional fields for the tax laws but we have asked Daniel to incorporate this change on the default package.

We Italians add these fields because this is our personal needs!
I'd say European Union (not only Italy) is a pretty large share...
Ipse dixit

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:24 am
by CyberWizard
Even the best softwares on the net don't meet the needs of every person who uses them. That is why mods, addons, and templates are created for them.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:17 am
by twiggy
Grate news and awesome look for the new admin panel.

Daniel will this update affect any templates made for the store front in versions 1.3.2-1.3.4? Or does the structure remain the same?

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:36 am
by gomezstudio
hi daniel open cart is wonderful, I was testing magento but really dont like that takes up much disk space and many requirements. open cart is better but i dont like the modules system because need to be change files to add modules files. I would like a new way to add modules like as joomla or mambo.

Cheers!

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:04 am
by Xsecrets
gomezstudio wrote:... i dont like the modules system because need to be change files to add modules files. I would like a new way to add modules like as joomla or mambo.
I would like to see 1.3.5 go ahead and come out with the additions that are in there now, but I agree that the next version should really have some sort of better modules/plugin/hooks/whatever you want to call it system. There have been several threads around with some good ideas, and I think ironing out a good system could do wonders for the future of the project.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:44 am
by twiggy
Have to agree with the two guys above, a 'module install system' would really push opencart to a new level and open up open cart to al-sorts of interesting developments and ideas.

Re: v1.3.5 Soon

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:43 am
by lowlands
Hi,

Thanks a million again Daniel for this great script.

My vote is for the horizontal menu too. And bugfixes and structure first, options later. It may take some time but with the combined imput and great discussions here there is no doubt in my mind that OC is going to go to the top of the heap.

I have a number of scripts (CMS, Cart, Digital Product sales) that all originate from the US. I am sooooo glad that Open Cart (Daniel) really has an open ear for the European needs and the response to the really important issues is so fast.

The idea of a poll is great. I was just contemplating asking for one.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

Theo