Post by dcolumbus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:13 am

This is pretty much what I need to do..

I'm selling business cards, but the price is dependant on how many you want (500, 1000, 2000, etc) and then how many colors you want (1/0, 1/1, 1/2, etc) ...

You think it's possible?

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Post by hydrowire » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:26 am

Hi dcolumbus,

Yes you can definitely set that up with Option Combination extension. Do try out the demo to see if it suits your need exactly.

Let me know if you have further questions.

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Post by dcolumbus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:39 am

I'm assuming you're a developer of the extension? I'm going to purchase it but I need it RIGHT AWAY ... I've never been in such a crunch. What's the delivery time?

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Post by hydrowire » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:41 am

Hi dcolumbus,

Yes I am. You can download it immediately once payment has been made.

Let me know if you need further help.

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Post by dcolumbus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:47 am

Perfect! Thank you.

And there is another question I have for you.

I'm trying to save some time and there are QUITE a few products (200) that will have several options (8 quantities x 12 colors) ... is there a way to speed up the process? Otherwise I will end up spending hours and hours configuring every single option.

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Post by hydrowire » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:55 am

Hi dcolumbus,

Unfortunately you have to manually configure each of all option combinations that you need. The system has no way of knowing how much 500 pieces of 1/1 color business card cost.

However, if you are just starting out to setup your products, try setup the similar ones so that you can perform 'Copy' products, and the duplicated product will have the same set of option combinations, and hopefully you will only need to change a few numbers compare to the previous product.

Let me know if you have any further questions or comments.

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Post by dcolumbus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:24 am

Alright, so I've run into a very frustrating scenario.

What I've got are combinations for Quantity Set: 500, 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 8000, 10000
For each quantity set, there is a color combination: 500 and 1/0, 500 and 1/2, 500 and 1/3 ... 4000 and 1/1 ... 10000 and 1/1 , etc

THEN there are additional options that are ALSO dependant on Quantity Set ... but I don't want them showing up in the "Split Table by Option" for Quantity Set ... otherwise, the user can literally only select a single option.

The options needs to be grouped by Quantity Set, but they need to be individually selected ... like:

Quantity Set 500
[colors select list]
[another select list]
[another select list]
...etc

Quantity Set 1000
[colors select list]
[another select list]
[another select list]
...etc

Quantity Set 2000
[colors select list]
[another select list]
[another select list]
...etc

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Post by dcolumbus » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:58 am

There seems to be an issue with the pricing.

If an option is selected (let's say, embossing) and it needs to ADD TO the current selected pricing... it doesn't. It just totally replaces the price.

I noticed that the pricing had 4 options: Absolute, +, -. Disable

I would assume that "+" would just add that price to the total... but it doesn't.

The way I need to calculate pricing is: select your quantity, select your colors and ADD ON any extra features ... those features are dependant on quantity.

So far, the only thing that seems to be happening is the additional features price overrides the price.

Heeeelllppp..

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Post by hydrowire » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:51 pm

Hi dcolumbus,

Please take a look at this sample product I've setup to reflect your requirements:
http://ocdemo.kfstuff.com/combo/index.p ... duct_id=67

1. Basically, any options you need are setup normally, including price(price just for display at the product page, option combination will later override the price). Remember to set Subtract Stock to No.

2. In option combination, here's how you set it up:
Set > 500
Color > 1/0
Price > 80 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/1
Price > 100 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/2
Price > 120 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/3
Price > 135 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/0
Extra > Emboss
Price > 87 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/1
Extra > Emboss
Price > 107 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/2
Extra > Emboss
Price > 127 (Absolute)

Set > 500
Color > 1/3
Extra > Emboss
Price > 142 (Absolute)

and so on..

3. You can use Subtract Stock in option combination.

4. With option combination, you can combine your options exactly how you want in any ways. But of course, the more complicated it is, the more manual work has to be done to setup your products. Each option added is an extra order of magnitude.

Let me know if you need further help.

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Post by klmnt » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:44 pm

hydrowire,

It is not exactly what we are talking about. Your extension only provides different display/layout for the options. The idea is to simplify the selection process and allow the customer to make a fast and easy choice of options, and most importantly allow for correct pricing.
A real price matrix would work in most situations where no more than two dependent options are needed.
However, a price matrix means you have one set of options(i.e. Size) in the X axes and another set on the Y axes(i.e. Material or Finish, etc.) Each check/radio box within the matrix shall represent the correct price for that combination of options.
Maybe you should rethink your matrix and it may work...
P.S. Take a look at a good implementation of a matrix: http://www.canvasondemand.com/prices-and-sizes/

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Post by hydrowire » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:15 pm

Hi klmnt,

My Option Combination not only provides different display/layout for the options. Once option combination values are all setup properly, customer can make fast and easy choice of options, and needless to say, the pricing is and must be correct. Simple for customer usually means not so simple for the store owner to setup.

For example, if you have
Size: small, medium, large,
Finish: gloss, matte, plain,
then, a total of 3x3 = 9 option combination values are needed to be setup. So, it is possible to setup a pricing matrix with 2 options X and Y too. But right now it doesn't display each of them in X-Y axis. Even with that in table format, you still need to fill in 9 options combination values, and the final price will depend on X and Y option select. So here, you have no more than two dependent options needed.

I apologized if the demo product posted in my previous post confuse you as it is posted some time ago and may have been changed by some demo testers.

Anyway, feel free to visit my extension demo store and try to play around with it, make sure you are able to accomplish what you need with my extension. If you have any doubt or need help in setting up your product, just let me know and I try to setup following your scenario.

Demo url:
http://ocdemo.kfstuff.com/combo
Admin:
http://ocdemo.kfstuff.com/combo/admin/
Username: demo
Password: demo

Thanks for your interest!

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Edit:
Just saw the link you posted, it has 3 options: Size(W),Size(H),and Material. My extension can do that just fine, but some customization is needed to display it in that table format. Also, each pricing in the table is setup individually, I can say easily it has 33 W x 65 H x 4 Materials = 8580 pricing. I understand that is way too much to setup. But looking closely, each increase in W adds $1, and each increase in H adds $2. I have to let you know that currently my extension does not have that automatic price increase feature yet. Since the price increase uniformly, you can just use the default option. There's also an extension that update price dynamically when option is change/selected, without the tables of course. So, there's no need the use of Option Combination in this situation, unless price change is not uniform.

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Post by klmnt » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:42 pm

hydrowire,

If it's not a matrix (X,Y) then it's not a price matrix. It is a list of available option combinations. Being such, it takes X or Y times more space than a matrix does.If a product comes in 10 sizes and 5 types of materials(i.e. paper weight/type) we need 50 rows of options instead of 5 (or 10 if they can not fit vertically).
That's 10 fold the space! Do you really want you customer to scroll 3 pages down to find the right option.

Another point I should make is that most of what your extension does, can be done without it - Just use one of the option sets as labels and listing the other one as values. To make it clear I have setup en example on your demo: http://ocdemo.kfstuff.com/combo/index.p ... duct_id=88 I'll also attach a snapshot in case someone deletes the product.
In my example the options are 3 x 3 = 9 rows + labels(3) but if I need 10 sizes it'll add up to 30+ or more. I can also make the radio buttons drop-selects boxes and reduce dramatically the size of the list and the brain confusion in my customer's head... but it still not foolproof. One thing I can not do, is prevent him/her from making a selection in each of the options groups. This setup most often would work but many customers expect more and may easily get confused.
hydrowire wrote: Edit:
Just saw the link you posted, it has 3 options: Size(W),Size(H),and Material. My extension can do that just fine, but some customization is needed to display it in that table format. Also, each pricing in the table is setup individually, I can say easily it has 33 W x 65 H x 4 Materials = 8580 pricing. I understand that is way too much to setup.
That first part(row) is actually a custom size calculator and is much simpler than having to configure 8580 option combinations. It really is only 2 options that look like 3. W*H gives the Size (Area in square inches) which is then multiplied by the value($/sq.inch) that corresponds to the chosen Material.

hydrowire, I believe that if you come up with a true price matrix variation of your extension it will be a hit, as OC really needs something like that. IMHO, In it's current form it doesn't appeal to many. I might be wrong about that but if I am, your sells shall prove me so.

Wish you good luck and looking forward the next thing you'd come up with?

P.S. I have few ideas, but I need to sort them in my head first and then try to summarize them in another post.

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Post by hydrowire » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:06 am

Hi klmnt,

Thank you for making your point in such detail, I understand clearly what you mean now.

This is indeed an interesting and important feature for OC. I'll look into this matter for a practical price matrix solution.

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