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Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:53 am
by gocreative
Since product attributes/options are currently being implemented and we're giving feedback on the changes, I actually think that's a fair question - not to mention a good idea.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:56 am
by gocreative
sooskriszta wrote:I don't believe through that from a usability viewpoint there is a HUGE distinction overall between the horizontal v vertical layout.
Not a huge distinction, but there is one.
sooskriszta wrote:
gocreative wrote:if you have it running across the top of the page then it's a good quick reference for the user to see their checkout progress.
I don't get that logic at all. Users always see the progress eitherway.
True, but there's wasted space to the right of those options. When you're down to the fifth/sixth part of checkout, quite a lot of space is wasted. On top of this, the 'true' content starts slightly lower on each page since the previous step is now listed above it, so everything is pushed down. Things should be positioned as consistently as possible.

Worst of all, users can't see the next step until they reach the bottom of the form. Having them all at the top means they can see all of the steps, and where they're currently at, before they even look at the form.

Not a major issue by any means, but if the same effect can be achieved with better use of screen space, why not do it?

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:32 pm
by poshook
i2Paq wrote:Lets keep it ON TOPIC!

This is not a Feature Request Topic

This you can find in the first post of this thread...


"BUT PLEASE DO MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD BE GOOD CHANGES"

I think this is a good place for changes suggestions

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:01 pm
by i2Paq
poshook wrote:I think this is a good place for changes suggestions
A suggestion on changing something that is already in 1.5.0 *ALPHA* is something completely differed then asking for something that is not yet in it.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:18 pm
by SapporoGuy
I am confused ???
I am seeing a lot of both going on here so ...
What is a "good change" compared to a "feature request"?

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:35 pm
by i2Paq
SapporoGuy wrote:I am confused ???
I am seeing a lot of both going on here so ...
What is a "good change" compared to a "feature request"?

A change is: Instead of having the button on the right, make it on the left.

A feature request is: I want the Nigerian Scam Payment Module.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:36 pm
by gocreative
CypherUK was suggesting a change to something that is already in the Alpha release, so that's definitely not a feature request.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:38 pm
by i2Paq
gocreative wrote:CypherUK was suggesting a change to something that is already in the Alpha release, so that's definitely not a feature request.
And I was talking in general: Who ever the shoe fits. ;)

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:46 pm
by gocreative
Maybe so, but I haven't seen all that many 'feature requests' in this topic anyway.

Oh well, whatever. If I'm not interested I just don't read it.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:51 pm
by philbydevil
i2Paq wrote:I want the Nigerian Scam Payment Module.
I searched the extensions directory but couldn't find this one... where do I download it?

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:55 pm
by philbydevil
sorry... I couldn't resist :crazy:

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:46 pm
by Daniel
I finally have internet access back and only just started reading comments about 1.5.0.

Its probably going to be a few more weeks before its finished. I have taken notice that a few people don;t like the mega menu. I can still change the design if its required.

I don;t know if anyone noticed but magento themes look good because they can take advantage of the full width of the paghes with banners. take away the banners and magento themes look bad.

this is the original front page design i had in mind:
Store Design 4.jpg

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Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:03 pm
by gocreative
A bit too plain for my tastes, plus not everyone will want a banner. I'm glad you went away from that concept.

A good solution to the menu issue would be to give users a choice. Just choose the menu to use, and voila. Or give users an editor within OC where you can insert CSS and JS for a menu.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:37 pm
by OC2PS
Daniel wrote:I finally have internet access back and only just started reading comments about 1.5.0.

Its probably going to be a few more weeks before its finished. I have taken notice that a few people don;t like the mega menu. I can still change the design if its required.
You have done a splendid job with this version. Kudos!

There are several people (including me) who don't like megamenu. There are, however, also quite a few that do like it.

In my opinion, it would be best to continue what you have already started philosophically: minimize hardcoding items, and try to convert pretty much everything on the screen into modules (I know at least SapporoGuy and Qphoria would agree :-) )

If you convert the megamenu into a module, then you can have it switched on by default to lure in new users who are after making their website look like Target's or Debenham's. And to anybody who doesn't like megamenus, you can point to the fact that it can be turned off from admin.

This sort of flexibility in every aspect of OC (including, say, 1 column, 2 column and 3 column layouts), would make it a thought leader in ecommerce software, no less.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:53 pm
by OC2PS
Daniel wrote:I don;t know if anyone noticed but magento themes look good because they can take advantage of the full width of the paghes with banners. take away the banners and magento themes look bad.
I think Craig has it spot on:
Before you buy an eCommerce template check out the Product pages wrote: Those templates with the lovely graphics on the Home page, the AJAX sliders and image galleries… they look beautiful. They look tempting.

if you’re doing things right, most of your visitors will never even look at the Home page. Unless you’re Amazon the only impression visitors will have of your site is from looking at a Product page. If you’ve done your SEO properly, and I hope you have, someone searching for one of your products will find that product’s page. If they like what they see they will buy it, or look for more information.

If a visitor doesn’t like what they see they will leave and go to a competitor. If visitors do look at the Home page, it’s only because they decided to check out another page on your site after looking at a Product page.
Just something to bear in mind...

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:27 pm
by dbstr
I just finished a mega menu on one of my sites using http://cherne.net/brian/resources/jquer ... ntent.html

You should check it out. It works better than the default jQuery .hover() function (or in this case css :hover)

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:13 pm
by JJJaved
Daniel wrote:
this is the original front page design i had in mind:
Store Design 4.jpg
I like this clean design. ;D

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:12 pm
by OC2PS
dbstr wrote:I just finished a mega menu on one of my sites using http://cherne.net/brian/resources/jquer ... ntent.html
This has a timer and works quite like what Jacob Nielsen recommends. Does it solve the diagonal problem too? It's hard to tell from the webpage - it doesn't require diagonal movements.

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:13 pm
by dbstr
sooskriszta wrote:
dbstr wrote:I just finished a mega menu on one of my sites using http://cherne.net/brian/resources/jquer ... ntent.html
This has a timer and works quite like what Jacob Nielsen recommends. Does it solve the diagonal problem too? It's hard to tell from the webpage - it doesn't require diagonal movements.
Sorry, but what diagonal problem? ;-)

Re: Sneak Peek: OpenCart 1.5.0 *ALPHA*

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:06 am
by OC2PS
dbstr wrote:Sorry, but what diagonal problem? ;-)
If you hover on a menu option, it opens a big block with a sub-menu.

What typically happens is that this submenu block which has opened due to the mouseover is wider (horizontal menu) or taller (vertical menu - this is always the case) than the hover area.

Now, the logical way is to follow the correct path
i.e. down and then right in case of horizontal menu, or
right and then up/down in case of vertical menu
to access an option that is not directly below/to the right of the hover area.

However, many of us are impatient and try to reach the option directly - moving the mouse pointer DIAGONALLY and, often, outside the hover area, thereby closing the submenu block. This is the diagonal problem. It is a particularly big problem for vertical hover menus, and is a problem but to a lower extent for horizontal hover menus.

If the menu uses a timer, and opens the submenu block within 0.1 seconds of the user hovering for 0.5 seconds on the menu option, and closes within 0.1 seconds, after 0.5 seconds of the user moving out of the menu option, then this problem is resolved to some extent - basically for people who move their mouse fast.

However, children, old people, beginners, as well as those with motor issues, can take time getting to the correct place in the submenu block and stay outside the hover areas more than 0.5 seconds.

Simply increasing the wait time from 0.5 seconds is not a viable option as keeping the menu open for long after the user has moved out of hover areas can be very annoying for expert users. Also, the menu hides the screen below it, and thus prevents the user from the intended task.

So basically, the site needs to find a way to guage "intent" of the user. In a way, draw a line from top right corner of menu option to top right corner of submenu block, and increase timeout for this area. Does this make sense somewhat?