So whats my answer - whats the solution? what am I saying that's so much better etc etc.? - well .... I got into OC just because I wanted a platform to vend the products that I'm involved in - like everybody I didn't realize what I got myself into before I started. A few years on I feel I have earned myself variable opinion.
I believe OC can be great
I think the developers feel under pressure like they are missing out on the great payout or something
I believe they have taken their eye off the true prize
I believe that OC is an underdeveloped concept
I believe that revenue for the developer/s needs to be remastered
I would say to Daniel and partners .... look at Apples model .... make third party go through YOUR quality control that YOU stand over or else it doesn't make the cut.
Make the base product truly architectural whereby any clone of OC can be 'fitted' out according to the desired result or shop model required
Realize that OC is for the guy on the street with no knowledge of anything other than I have a something to sell and a VERY SMALL BUDGET to get started
ANY default template should be absolutely flawless and trouble free
I could keep going and so could loads of others etc .......... point is a change of attitude from the developers is required if the model of OC looks attractive enough once more
Sorry if you feel ..uggggghhhhh after this but a rant a day keeps ......mmm me awake ... how about you?
Reason: Split off topic discussion to its own thread
las time when i share isue or idea about the admin order page in github long time ago his word was to me also from daniel
"" one more stupid isue from you , if you will make more i will block you ""
my offer was to make in admin order page , when need to edit/update ordered products price or quantity in customer order . in which cart you see that admin must delete product and add back to customer order for edit ?
and in oc extension list i see admin order edit module cost over +100$
i belive that oc can be very good store but before to be developer , need to learn to listen others and listen ideas also...
i would argueu that that store site is olmost there, but certainly the admin can be much better.
But have a look at all the others, you either have to pay a lot for the core and every extension you need and neither is perfect either.
before going to opencart i used cubecart, great system, but at the time where lacking seo urls, admin on some point better (product options) on other things worse.
I try to keep track of all options for ecommerce, and each time i find a atvantage there always is a disadvantige, in my opion, the perfect solution does not exist, just find that one that is the closed to what you want within your budget.
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I don't expect perfection but what i do expect is when I pay and install a third party extension it should work without me having to have a computer degree in code so to speak. The time investment spent in setting up a successful website is no jokeBut have a look at all the others, you either have to pay a lot for the core and every extension you need and neither is perfect either.
OC 2.0 is not just a 1.5.6 skin -- it has alot of little performance tweaks, a new mod system, software hooks, more JSON, an API, better reports, mobile support front and back etc. Alot of their time is going into these layers to provide a better *baseline* which should make more stable extensions in the future. True the skin seems like its getting alot of attention, but once its done its done (with native bootstrap for furthering extension compatibility).
Does this address many of the missing functions of OC? Absolutely not...things affecting real world commerce like manual orders, line item product edit, backend card processing, product options, category filters, and others have been flawed, missing, or half built for literally years.
Features like above may seem really important to you as an owner, but for a developer of OC they may be moot when compared to small/security issues constantly rearing the head. I think we can all work together to have our cake and eat it too. Neither side can "lose their cool" though. May take time but all platforms went through this feature-crush turbulent seas, OC will come out the other side better in general, and more able to incorporate these shop owner requests in a stable way.
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No it's not perfect and I agree the programmers really should work with 1 or more store owners to figure out what is really needed (I volunteer by the way if Daniel is reading this!) or pay very close attention to requests in the forums in order to add more features to the core product. But out of the box with no modifications, Opencart works and can be set up quickly and easily.
3rd party modules will always be 3rd party and may or may not have issues (mostly I've had issues with them not working along with things I've changed or other modules I've added, but after the first year of using opencart realized I didn't need 1/2 the addons I thought I did or had learned how to many the minor modifications I wanted myself). Perhaps a new category of module could be created for ones that have been tested, verified and approved by Opencart, but requiring all add ons to be verified sort of is against the open source nature of the product imo.
Running Opencart v3.0.3.2 with multi-stores and the default template from https://www.labeshops.com which has links to all my stores.
For now, I would definitely stick with 1.5.6.4
Running Opencart v3.0.3.2 with multi-stores and the default template from https://www.labeshops.com which has links to all my stores.
motofox wrote:As a first time user of opencart in the last few days, i can tell you i have been horrified with it, whoever decided to release an unfinished buggy beta product on there main page has shot themselfs in the foot.. i struggle with seeing the text and interface properly on oc 2 as its so faint and hard to read.. ive seen oc 15 on youtube and it looks much better so might give that one last try.
The faint text is some kinda Chrome (or Google font) bug/thing -- its "open sans" that you see all over the net...all the sites that use it are barely readable. It almost looks like they mixed it up with the "condensed light" version of open sans. Another terribly rendered font that comes to mind is "montserrat"...looks appalling, but only in Chrome. One major SaaS uses it on like 60% of their default themes (30,000+ installs). OC is not alone. Hah.
Its ironic that Chrome has had google web font rendering issues for well over a year. Seems like that would be a top concern for them (making fonts readable....). It even affects their sites, which is ironic.
And you should not use master for live traffic. This goes for any software you will ever use for high stability production: Use the last stable "LTS" release until the dev are at least 3 ahead, which for OpenCart is 1.5.6.4
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Thats fair enough but it really depends upon what you are selling - for example if you are selling eg T-Shirts ... well sure BUT I'm selling COMPLEX products ... ie spare parts and believe me as much as I would like the out of the box solution to work for me .... it simply falls flat and its just small things - categories in the back end for example - apart from being just a small box to work with with a lot of categories it invariably becomes a minefield and a dreary chore to find or add products to categories etc - I could go on and on but I'm sure you would get fed up.labeshops wrote:I had 30 multi-stores up and running in opencart within HOURS, so I cannot say I agree with your assessment.
3rd party modules will always be 3rd party and may or may not have issues (mostly I've had issues with them not working along with things I've changed or other modules I've added, but after the first year of using opencart realized I didn't need 1/2 the addons I thought I did or had learned how to many the minor modifications I wanted myself). Perhaps a new category of module could be created for ones that have been tested, verified and approved by Opencart, but requiring all add ons to be verified sort of is against the open source nature of the product imo.
You see its such a shame when a useful tool like OC is only half way and PURPOSEFULLY left unfinished in order to create third party sales via modules and improvements etc.
... well sure BUT I'm selling COMPLEX products ...
... yeah, and you rely on a freeware VW-Microbus like OC to make a living !?
It's not my intention to make anyone feel bad, but still, it's a usable tool, as it comes, and a good bases to be enhanced and adapted to many different needs. But one cannot expect a top equipped Mercedes Benz, just by possibly spending 200 Bucks into some extra Modifications, those not even designed, nor, 'legally', technically tested/approved, by the Software 'Manufacturer' himself.
I am fully aware, that OC 'contains' much to much, of 'Stuff', never used, but lack's important stuff as well.. It's Multi/Multi-Design makes it slow, heavy and hard to individually be modified by Non-Coders. It even offers little comfort for Hobby-Type Programmers, 'cause it fully lacks Source Code Information lines, and it is not even specificly built to simply be used with the (later) VqMod-Concept, so preventing possible clashes/errors, if 'combined' with many VqMod's, targeting even mostly the same few 'Anchors' in Sub's to be functional.
But, so what? A Pro would never use VqMod's anyway, a Pro would remove, what's not needed, and add, what's required. A Pro would reshape it, remodel it, without any problems, to make it a real Professional Shop, matching, what Customers expect from a real Pro Online-Shop to look like and be.
But such does not come for free. If it would, everbody would have it and use it. Actually, I am glad, this is not the case, because it would enable anyone to 'look' and function like a Pro, even the cheapest Cheaters and Scammers. I rather accept the really Best, to look Best get Most as well. This is, what I call, Competition. It does not end with the Software used, it starts, everything else is plain hard work. The way, it should be, in a free and open Market!
No offense!
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PS. To release the v.2 (without a Warning), at such a much to early stage, may has been a real mistake. But I am used, not to get the 'latest' Models, they may don't look so shiny, but they sure work...
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This will solve a bunch of your product/cat/complexity issues for far less than 100k: http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route ... on_id=5359Iamdbat wrote:Tell us something I don't know .... or have you just got time on your hands - have you considered that some of us cannot afford to pay 100K and over for a Bespoke site with yearly maintenance etc?
Also, why did you pick OC? They clearly have demos and you could see with a 30 minute session making products that the default options are limited and raw. And actually, no matter what cart you try you will be in the same product simplicity boat. The only [affordable] cart able to sell complex products is BigCommerce due to its advanced options rules. But even that platform is terrible for its own reasons (lack of checkbox option for example....LOL). All the others would need to be extended like OC.
The sad truth is that ecom is run by marketeers. The marketeers plan routes for devs, which 99% of the time aligns with 6 month churn-N-burn clothing or jewelry stores. This is because there are significantly more of these type of store. They dont care about features (quality), its about quantity. They def dont want to support complex code either, so if it sells as simple-cart then that is that. OC is different, they are not bending for a marketing department nor do they bend for a parent company like Magento does.
In the end, its like this: If you wanna do it better then contribute to the codebase or build your own cart. Otherwise there is no secret garden out of all the 300+ ecom platforms....even with something like Hybris....all are simplistic and limited in their own ways.
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This will solve a bunch of your product/cat/complexity issues for far less than 100k: http://www.opencart.com/index.php?route ... on_id=5359Dhaupin wrote:Iamdbat wrote:Tell us something I don't know .... or have you just got time on your hands - have you considered that some of us cannot afford to pay 100K and over for a Bespoke site with yearly maintenance etc?
Also, why did you pick OC? They clearly have demos and you could see with a 30 minute session making products that the default options are limited and raw. And actually, no matter what cart you try you will be in the same product simplicity boat. The only [affordable] cart able to sell complex products is BigCommerce due to its advanced options rules. But even that platform is terrible for its own reasons (lack of checkbox option for example....LOL). All the others would need to be extended like OC.
Used the daddy og Big Commerce - Intedrspre shopping cart ... but it had no attribute filters - In answer to your question I've spent the last 5 years trying to find an affordable cart that is friendly to my industry at an affordable price - haven't found it yet
As for coding stuff - I just want to run a business - I cant offer expertise there but I can see where OC is really wasting its best asset
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