Post by mkp007 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:29 am

I have multicarts running on 1.5.6.4. Been using it for a few years without much issues other than SEO and UI problems. Wondering if there is sufficient reason to upgrade or maybe move onto to something different? Some things I would like would be an app to upload photos into any location. Maybe add a photo to product. Or create a blog post on the fly. I just get the feeling that my competition using Shopify, Wix, Wordpress, etc. are beating me because it is easier for them to update and manage their site. I think some of it is feature issues and some of it is website content and layout issues. I feel like I need to rework my website and take a fresh approach, but I'm not sure what cart software I should go with.

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Post by IP_CAM » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:33 am

Well, there is an old saying, never change a winning horse. And when it comes to OC,
one has a lot of Versions to choose from, but no-one really knows. And as a consequence of
this, one cannot really rely on anything, published around here. It's mostly personal Arguments,
instead of qualified Tech-Talk, and much of it comes from people, who never showed a simple
sample of their competence yet, by i.E. presenting a bloody link to a real working Software.

So, it's more a cold-war scenario of different Indeologies, possibly combined with some hidden
financial interest as well. But honest Shop Users should not be believers, and sure not Ideologists,
but rather depend on figures and facts, if they already use a proven working OC Software Engine.

But this does not mean, to keep it, as it came, in contrary, one could always improve the design,
by adding i.E. a responsive Bootstrap Theme to a Version, not yet containing such be default. Also,
an updated Version (1.5.6.5_rc) exists, since some Misses have still been found and fixed, after the
release of the last 'official' 1.5.6.4, but the Version got burried, in Favour of the unfamous OC v.2.0.0.

But in 5-6 Years from now, PHP 7.0.x may no longer be a supported Code, and then, regular
OC v.1.5.6.x will have to be replaced, because they don't work with PHP-7.1.x-+ anymore, as
they come. But in 5-6 Years from now, a lot of other Things will be changed, and OC will probably at
least carry a Version Number 5 or 6, so, there is no good reason, to fundamentally change change
a working Version at this time, just, to keep it working for sure. Especially under the aspect, that
security Sites do not carry any security warning about latest 1.5.6.x Versions, in contrary to some
later ones. And the Discussion is not about 1.5.x failures and misses, but about later ones, despite
of the fact, that a majority of existing OC Users probably still depend on older Versions, as everybody
can find out easy, by reading about at the Forum.

But whatever you do, some work will be involved, because OC-2 type Bootstrap Themes require some
changes and additions in controller and language sections also, to make 'em work. And the popular
responsive Theme Sellers like Journal, Pav, and others, did not change to 1.5.6.5, but still use unfixed
1.5.6.4 Versions in their 'complete' Theme Installation packs, so, better don't take a chance, to eventually
be confronted with additional Problems, you don't really need, to keep your Shop in running State.

I am in the process of creating a range of freely available V-2 Bootstrap Themes, matching PEKU's
fine OpenCart Edge, wich serves as bases, and it already includes some Routines and Code, able to
handle such Themes, without the need, to rework some OC System Files first:
https://www.opencart.com/index.php?rout ... n_id=27779,
And by comparing it's Theme Code with others, it's relatively easy, to make other V-2 Themes work,
especially those, not containing any custom Controller/Model/System Files.

The only disadvantage of Peku's Version may be, that he also included OcMod, for what reason ever,
since it really makes no sense, to have OcMod + VqMod installed on any System. And for OC v.1.5.6.x,
no OcMods exist, exept in some of my Test Versions, I have therefore removed this function, after playing
around with for a while, because VqMod is easier to handle, since it does not use the DB, to keep the
OcMod Extension Content, but in the familiar VqMod way and sections.

Images of already modified OC-2 Themes for 1.5.6.5 can be seen here, and most of them work,
still, some minor Misses may still exist, but they have to be found first... :D
http://opencart.li/themes.html

Just, to give you some ideas on, what is possible. But I am not a fighter for 1.5.6.x, I just use, what
I feel is still the most perfect working version for me. Without any Ideology, and without any financial
interest.

Good Luck! ;)
Ernie

For Sale: Top URL's, including an OpenCart V-Pro Installation, similar to:
http://www.bigmax.ch - http://www.ipcam.li - http://www.jti.li
For Information + URL's offered, please contact me at: jti@jacob.ch
I am NOT available for Custom Support in existing OC Installations!
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Post by mkp007 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:28 am

IP_CAM wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:33 am
Well, there is an old saying, never change a winning horse....... Good Luck! ;) Ernie
Thank you Ernie for the thoughtful reply. To me, the big problem with Opencart is the business model. There are many things I like about Opencart like the unlimited-ness and the multistore, but there many things I hate like all the mods you need to make it function properly. Honestly, I'd prefer to pay a monthly fee for them to have a single version that has all the features built in. I've dumped quite a bit of money and effort into 1.5.6.4 to get my main site www.BagToss.com to where it is at. There are some really cool features/mods that I'd hate to scrap and start over with. Not to mention all the fixes we've made through vqmods and some directly to the main files. Once you get it working right, it costs nothing to keep it going (which is cool as heck). So, if I'm going to upgrade, I don't think it will be to 2.x or 3.x. The improvements and available mods are not substantial enough to justify the trouble. But perhaps a different cart altogether. Maybe one based on Opencart. I've been looking at Store Hippo and Magento. Not sure what to think about storehippo. I like what I see in regards to multi-store and multi-vendor. Downside, to name one, is their user base looks low based on the forums. Magento seems pretty cool but don't know much about it yet.

Anyone else have any carts they would recommend? At the end of the day, I want a platform that will help me stay with my competition. Maybe it's not 1.5.6.4 fault that my site is crappy, but it doesn't really help.

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Post by victorj » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:31 am

Your version is not to bad, the only thing youre missing is a good responsive theme so your site looks good on any device.
when oc 1.5.6 was released most customers used a computer, but nowadays majority of traffic comes from portable devices.
So using a good responsive theme like journal 2 and there are may other around will improve your site and add a pro to yourpotential customers.
Also using oc 1.5.6 to the max will give a great seo advantage over your competitors, but you will have to yse your product tags in a clever way, utilize filters so its more easy to narrow down justthat product they are looking for.

for 1.5.6 thre are tons off free mods that will greatly improve your admin to enhance your workflow.
You need a few payedmods to make it perfect but im sure with the right amount off effort your shop can easy outcompete all your competitors, its nit the shoppig cart software, doing that, but the man or team behind the cart who creates product content, looks and usebility that makes the succes.

I run a even order shop, 1.5.4 modded to my needs, responsive design and all of my competitors are way behind me, if they come to close i just start to improve my content. and make sure my site just has better content and product descriptions

Some recomendations that will help.
buy a ssl certificate, if on cpanel hosting might be there is a free ssl (probally the most important no shop should be without ssl if you dont use it google will give you a penalty soon)
responsive theme
more modern layout
use product tags, the improve in site search and for google they add product relation.

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Post by mkp007 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:02 am

victorj wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:31 am
Some recommendations that will help.
- Buy a ssl certificate, if on cpanel hosting might be there is a free ssl (probally the most important no shop should be without ssl if you dont use it google will give you a penalty soon)
- Responsive theme
- More modern layout
- use product tags, the improve in site search and for google they add product relation.
Thank you victor. We actually coded www.bagtoss.com to be responsive. There is a SSL for the checkout and login pages. Indeed a more modern layout is needed. Also, better use of product tags and meta data is needed.

So one choice which seems to be good is to tweak my current configuration. There are certainly some low hanging fruit there. But a competing option is Magento 2.2 with a custom theme from themeforest. It seems to be super powerful like OC but maybe better. I don't know. So I'm going to install it on my server and see. I would love it if someone could tell me why I shouldn't before I waste any time.

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Post by victorj » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:30 am

Not sure its a waste of time, you Will have to decide yourself.
Magento is a great platform.
It laks the same SEO compared to oc, it extreem server hungry has a high complicated learning curve and if you want modifications they are expensive.

Make sure your ssl is site wide. Not Just the standard pages All pages should be ssl but that goes for All eccomerce on the internet.

Correct me if in wrong, but it looks like your site is B2B
In my humble opinion B2B needs a clean looking template, the design should focus on product not looks.
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Post by mkp007 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:50 am

victorj wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:30 am
- It lacks the same SEO compared to oc
- it extreme server hungry
- has a high complicated learning curve
- if you want modifications they are expensive.
I'm curious as to why you think OC has better SEO capabilities. Is it that this are better extensions that help with SEO? Or the "SEO keyword"? Or the meta data fields? This is truly very important for me. I feel that when I moved my website from static HTML pages to OC that my google ranking and organic visits went down. Seemed to me that google didn't like what I did or I had some bad tags. I'm kindof hoping that Magento does a better job at preventing these problems and automatically does (or guides) best SEO practice.

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Post by victorj » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:39 pm

In Regardstraat of SEO, pretty much All carts oc, Magento, prestashop etc All have the same SEO fields.
Oc in addition has product tags wich add a extra SEO fields.
If used wisely they Just add that little extra compared to the Others.
There are a lot of mods that Will fill out All SEO fields, but the best is the man that did his keywords research and carefully selected Just those keywords important for their range of products.
Also a template does a lot for SEO.
Your current template had a very small container, wich leads to most of your content is below the "fold"
That is below what you see on your screen when opening a page.
In order to see that content you need to scroll down.
Content below the fold is indexed with a lower rank.
Expanding your container Will show more, thats why you need a better responsieve template.

Also Just create a site and hope for the best Does not work in the long run.
Your site needs to be a active site, so you need to maintain your website on e regular base, improved descriptions on a few products each time, create unique content.
This is important because IT shows Google your site is alive and Beying worked on.

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