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[SOLVED] Big Problem Cache Journal 3 (workaround)

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:55 pm
by bonny3
Goodmorning everyone,
recently I installed the new version of Journal3
on my site, where there are 80,000 products.
I found a very important Cache problem,
when I update a product in administration, the Journal3 cache clears and must be completely regenerated,
this takes a long time about 10 seconds.
The same problem arose with the "Ajax Best Checkout - Easy Quick Boosted on opencart" extension, here I solved
by removing the extension from the Journal3 cache

// Journal Theme Modification
if (strpos($key, 'xtensions_best_checkout') === false && is_file(DIR_SYSTEM . 'library/journal3/vendor/SuperCache/SuperCache.php')) { require_once DIR_SYSTEM . 'library/journal3/vendor/SuperCache/SuperCache.php';

\SuperCache\SuperCache::clearAll();
}
// End Journal Theme Modification

I reported this to the Journal3 service but unfortunately they say it's normal.
I have never had any of these problems with Journal2
in my opinion this new version of Journal 3 has big cache problems with sites with many products
Do you have any solutions?

Thanks
Best Regards
Alessandro

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:01 pm
by thekrotek
Yes, we have a solution: get rid of the Journal. This is the most troublesome and slow theme on the market and it creates tons of issues. And Journal 3 is just a monstrosity.

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:56 pm
by bonny3
thekrotek wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:01 pm
Yes, we have a solution: get rid of the Journal. This is the most troublesome and slow theme on the market and it creates tons of issues. And Journal 3 is just a monstrosity.
So you too have encountered problems?

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:16 pm
by thekrotek
bonny3 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:56 pm
So you too have encountered problems?
I bet no person exists in this world, who never experienced any issues with Journal. Nowadays this is the most NON-recommended theme.

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:26 pm
by bonny3
thekrotek wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:16 pm
bonny3 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:56 pm
So you too have encountered problems?
I bet no person exists in this world, who never experienced any issues with Journal. Nowadays this is the most NON-recommended theme.
from your experience which theme would you recommend?

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:39 pm
by thekrotek
bonny3 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:26 pm
from your experience which theme would you recommend?
Any you like. Just not Journal, that's the only recommendation I have. I didn't use much templates and they all have their cons and pros, but mostly it's a matter of taste and tech skill level.

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:44 pm
by JNeuhoff

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:16 pm
by kestas
thekrotek wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:16 pm
bonny3 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:56 pm
So you too have encountered problems?
I bet no person exists in this world, who never experienced any issues with Journal. Nowadays this is the most NON-recommended theme.
totally agree

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:54 pm
by IP_CAM
Nowadays this is the most NON-recommended theme.
Well, recommended (by Dev's) or not, Journal is the Number One Moneymaker
Extension, as well as the Number One stolen Code. The only real Problem is,
that most 'installers' are not aware of the plain Fact, that MANY Extensions won't
work with Journal, as they come by default. But most OC Installers are not aware
of anything anyway, and will likely fail again, because of that.

It's a big advantage of those, aware of what they're doing, like in any real Business,
because otherways, the Planet would be full of Online Shops. :laugh:
Ernie

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:03 pm
by thekrotek
IP_CAM wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:54 pm
Well, recommended (by Dev's) or not, Journal is the Number One Moneymaker
Extension, as well as the Number One stolen Code.
The more people will un-recommend this crap, the faster it will go down. They already basically shot themselves in the knee with the release of Journal 3, which is such a piece of garbage.

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:08 pm
by kestas
IP_CAM wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:54 pm
Nowadays this is the most NON-recommended theme.
Well, recommended (by Dev's) or not, Journal is the Number One Moneymaker
Extension, as well as the Number One stolen Code. The only real Problem is,
that most 'installers' are not aware of the plain Fact, that MANY Extensions won't
work with Journal, as they come by default. But most OC Installers are not aware
of anything anyway, and will likely fail again, because of that.

It's a big advantage of those, aware of what they're doing, like in any real Business,
because otherways, the Planet would be full of Online Shops. :laugh:
Ernie
@IP_CAM you are right. Journal theme developers totally ignored OC framework, have changed tons of core files (they exist but not in use) with his own. So OC was totally destroyed...

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:27 am
by bonny3
the problem that I spent so much time and money
to install journal 3
aesthetically I like it but it has some obvious problems
that unfortunately the support does not seem to want to understand
I would like to understand how to solve this cache problem ..

this is my question with support reply

Hi Lucian,
I continue to encounter problems with the Journal3 cache, the comparison also in other extensions
this extension is in the administration
Is it possible to find a solution that isolates all the extensions?
that is, that the journal cache 3 only works with journal 3?

Hi,
If you're referring to slow loading page after making changes in admin area then that's normal because you changed something in the store and cache must be rebuilt. Depending on the amount of store data you have, this may take some time.

--
Best regards,
Journal Support Team

but why don't they understand?
if you change a product in the administration,
I can't have a frontend page that takes 10 seconds to load!
one should understand that for an ecommerce it is important to sell the products
but these products must be modified daily
and this change should not affect the speed of the template ...
all the cache that it recharges every time is absurd
should recharge by sectors
Questa cache dovrebbe cambiare solo se modificato il Template di Journal3
This problem in Journal2 was not present

Do you have any suggestions for doing this?

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:36 am
by IP_CAM
Well, the main Problem is, that Journal (3) uses a rather comprehensive Caching System,
and whereever and whatever 'Changes' have been made, Journal has to completely
rebuild it's Cache, and that might take some time, depending on what exists on Data.
The first coming Pageload might therefore take some time, by Nature of things.

But that's not really only Journal's fault. Because, despite of the Fact, that OpenCart
created it's own OcMod Routine, starting up with OC v.2, Developers still kept
on designing VqMods, probably mostly out of plain ignorance, and anger, not to have
been asked about before. :-\ :clown:

And that made it much more complicated, for most everybody involved. But doing
the exactly same Thing, just in TWO entire different ways, will and can only produce
problems. And there is no way out, since OC Newbies usually have NO Information, on
what's important, and what should be avoided, if one plans, to eventually end up with
a well-done Online Shop. But most don't care about such 'minor' details anyway, in their
Rush, to get rich and famous A S A P :laugh:

OC somehow reminds me of, what a Fellow told me, during my first Flight as Emigrant
to Canada, many many Moons ago. His words:
- Nobody told you, to come. But nobody tells you, not to come. It's all up to You, to prove,
that you're willing and able to 'handle' it. And if not, just don't expect anyone else to care about -

Ernie ;)

And just to mention it, famous JNeuhoff's automatic VqMod Routine could probably solve
at least a range of potential OcMod/VqMod Problems:
Integrated VQmod for OpenCart
https://www.opencart.com/index.php?rout ... n_id=19501

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:28 pm
by OSWorX
thekrotek wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:03 pm
IP_CAM wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:54 pm
Well, recommended (by Dev's) or not, Journal is the Number One Moneymaker
Extension, as well as the Number One stolen Code.
The more people will un-recommend this crap, the faster it will go down. They already basically shot themselves in the knee with the release of Journal 3, which is such a piece of garbage.
The more ..

+1

Reason why this crap should be forbidden: have not 1 client who has no problems with this Template!

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:00 pm
by bonny3
Hi,

I solved the problem,
to avoid that the journal3 cache is always emptied and regenerated,
you must disable the cache in admin
this works for me,
I hope it can be useful

/admin/model/catalog/product.php

//$this->cache->delete('product');

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:26 pm
by kestas
bonny3 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:00 pm
Hi,

I solved the problem,
to avoid that the journal3 cache is always emptied and regenerated,
you must disable the cache in admin
this works for me,
I hope it can be useful

/admin/model/catalog/product.php

//$this->cache->delete('product');
unfortubately, the workaround does not make the Journal 3 function any better :crazy:

Re: Big Problem Cache Journal 3

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:35 pm
by bonny3
kestas wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:26 pm
bonny3 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:00 pm
Hi,

I solved the problem,
to avoid that the journal3 cache is always emptied and regenerated,
you must disable the cache in admin
this works for me,
I hope it can be useful

/admin/model/catalog/product.php

//$this->cache->delete('product');
unfortubately, the workaround does not make the Journal 3 function any better :crazy:
however, this solution helps you modify products ;)