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by **pstreet** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:46 pm

peteVA wrote:
pstreet wrote:How about they check here for downloads as well:
http://code.google.com/p/opencart/downloads/list
All prior versions are still available from the looks.

And they know about that how?

Easily, people use their fingers and do some digging on Google. I found it pretty easy when I had to go dig up v1.3.2 code simply by searching for 'opencart v1.3.2'. The information's there if people just look past their nose and go and actually hunt it down.

I do agree though, if it was linked directly from the download button it would make life so much easier. On the flip-side people need to stop expecting everything to be spoon fed to them, this is an open source project not a commercial one. Demands will get you no where. As a new member it's frustrating to read all these posts with people whining about trivial issues when they could resolve most of their issues by spending the 5 minutes they took bashing out a post.

In terms of the release schedule, yes it could be better, a lot of things could be improved. That is the whole point of the project however, and improvements take time. I'm sure there are steps underway to try and improve the issues.

There is only so much you can expect from a project that has one person steering the course in it's entirety, the beauty of the GPL license means that you can fork it and start a new project and manage it your own way if you're not happy. I am by no means advocating that as a solution, but for people to sit and complain about problems just seems to be so very counter-productive.

by **OpenCart.us** » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:48 pm

Qphoria wrote:I would be happy to work out a changelog and test out the first days worth of bugs. That is why when we get the internal release, we will do that. To avoid another topic like this one.

Many of us here would really appreciate this Qphoria! OpenCart keeps getting better because of your commitment and numerous contributions.

by **Artlife** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:00 am

gsluo wrote:
Artlife wrote:Partly responsible may be your poor English, but I think what you've said is rather rude.
This thread was already locked once because of people whining that this or that wasn't progressing as they'd like. Give the man some breathing room and let him get his work done how he likes with some polite and helpful input.

NO, people are unhappy NOT because it wasn't progressing AS THEY'D LIKE, but because it's not AS ANNOUNCED BY DANIEL HIMSELF. Saying "it will be released by three months" and saying "it will be released this week" 12 times during three months does not lead to the same consequence.

Artlife wrote:Screwed multiple times??? Are you kidding me?

Unlike you, most people have to follow a schedule and have to plan things and make decisions by deadlines.

And what makes you think I don't have a schedule and deadlines, the fact that i don't whine about them? Pfft.

by **bbmatt** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:13 am

i2Paq wrote:
bbmatt wrote:I suspect re-building our own will win the day.

Just curious what carts you compared and what made you decide to announce what I've qouted above.

As I have seen many, if not all, free and Open Source carts I'm certain that building one yourself is, and I'm using Xsecrets words "creating a cart is a much larger project than you might imagine".

... We've already built and have our own ....

We had a major discussion at the office last night about this.
A bit of history - we have an e-commerce solution we've been rolling out for 3 years plus, an in-house solution.
The company got badly burned with Oscommerce about 5 years back (before I started here), so decided they had the skills to create their own. The programmer who built the platform left about 18 months ago and it was dumped on my plate. It was a mess of code that took me ages to figure out - it's still a mess behind the scenes, but it's secure. The problem is, it lacks SEO URL's amongst other things and because of the development methods used, it's impossible to work SEO URL's in.

I've been tasked with finding an alternative cart, because we simply cannot support our own cart any more - it's become a code liability.

We have the skills in-house to recreate our system from the ground up and I figured we could do it, rather than adopt another system that doesn't quite have what we need.

I've been around the houses so many times on this, it's no longer funny.

I've now decided we just don't have the time nor resource to roll our own, so I'm back at square one again - after another sleepless night pondering ecommerce solutions.

This is very much a topical question and decision for web agencies - there's effectively 3 categories with shades of grey inbetween: Roll your own, Buy off the shelf, Adopt an existing project and work with it.

If we had another 2 developers in-house and the cash, I wouldn't hesitate suggesting we roll our own - the rewards in terms of flexibility are numerous.

The one issue with community projects, is you can't be sure they'll go where *you* want them to go, which isn't always a great idea when it comes to commercial projects. This is often why software gets forked.

Killer feature X that your best client is crying out for isn't on the community project roadmap - and perhaps it's not a modular option. So what do you do? At that point, you have to fork the code and then your on your own in terms of bug fixes and security updates.

I'll try the 'request a quote' form again, to see if I can rouse any interest in some very specific functionality we require for a client...

Apologies for hijacking this thread, but at 31 pages long, it's probably not a big deal

by **Daniel** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:46 am

i'm sorry. i don;t have time to do any other request work. please contact Q or click on the advertising.

maybe if i setup a market place for this sort of stuff.

to behonest the quote requests i get are not enough money for me to live off. I'm going to let others advrte there services rather than do the work myself.

by **SuperJuice** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:05 am

I'll try the 'request a quote' form again, to see if I can rouse any interest in some very specific functionality we require for a client..

You have on site capability to write a cart from the ground up yet you want to farm out modifications requested by your client to a 3rd party? just so they can be included in the main codebase so you don't have to maintain them? (and likely a feature only your client wants?) $:-\$

I can't see any reason for any project to include every last request as it just makes the core convoluted and bloated, that is why they are written as mods.

If the API and codebase was stable and predictable on Opencart making them mods, rather than having to have them included in the base wouldn't be as much of an issue.

by **bbmatt** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:16 pm

You have on site capability to write a cart from the ground up yet you want to farm out modifications requested by your client to a 3rd party? just so they can be included in the main codebase so you don't have to maintain them? (and likely a feature only your client wants?) $:-\$

I can't see any reason for any project to include every last request as it just makes the core convoluted and bloated, that is why they are written as mods.

If the API and codebase was stable and predictable on Opencart making them mods, rather than having to have them included in the base wouldn't be as much of an issue.

You chose to read only the parts you wanted to of my post above

We don't have the resources right now.

And who said anything about feature requests being included in the main codebase???

Moving swiftly on...

i'm sorry. i don;t have time to do any other request work. please contact Q or click on the advertising.

No worries - I completely understand.

by **muflon** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:13 pm

Edit by i2Paq: Read this topic!

by **cartit** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:07 pm

Edit by i2Paq, Again: this is not the topic so stop!

by **cartit** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:38 pm

i2paq
Piece of shit you can tell me what is the topic right!
.... great son of a bitch

I only asked when the new version will be out
why you keep deleting my posts

by **i2Paq** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:11 pm

cartit wrote:i2paq
Piece of shit you can tell me what is the topic right!
.... great son of a bitch

I only asked when the new version will be out
why you keep deleting my posts

I try and tried in the hope that this time you "Blogexecute" and Got knows how much other aliases you used would behave normaly and respect the Rules, Forum Etiquette and Common Sense of this forum but you just can't act normaly.

So, again I will ban your alias account and I will keep on banning any alias you create until you will publicly make your excuse to this forum and their users.

We, and I think I speak for 99% of the users here on this forum are fed up with your behaivure!

by **openmind** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:33 pm

cartit wrote:i2paq
Piece of shit you can tell me what is the topic right!
.... great son of a bitch

I only asked when the new version will be out
why you keep deleting my posts

That's not the way! will be out when Daniel finish, i can see the last change in an hours ago, so, he still is working in release the new, great and super OC multi site.

Continue comming back, make a publicly excuse and soon, very soon you can download the new version.

by **Bexley** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:27 am

Wow!
I am a new Open Cart person and fully intend to contribute with money and help in any way I can.
I was working on a zen cart until I found this and made the change immediately. My thoughts are it looks good and seems to have less things to do to make it look professional. That's a really good feature as I'm not a code guy but want to own and operate an online shop. I installed 1.40 and was like wow blown away with it. I Live in Australia and so things like dates and weights are different to the USA models. Australia Post Delivery Module is what sold it to me but after reading about how it does not work in this release and stuff I wonder if I have done the right thing. I was blissfully happy until reading all this.
The sad thing is I have not found any of the faults yet and you all have found loads and so I'm glad somebody out there cares enough to check things on my behalf.
Please make the Australia Post Module work - Delivery / Postage is the hardest of things to get right and is critical for myself to operate here.
Take your time Daniel here is one Aussie guy rearing to go but happy to sit on a beach and wait awhile.
Daniel and all who contribute a big thank you from me.
I also would love to see a version number someplace in the admin panel.
If this is off topic I'm new please forgive and delete if necessary.
Steve - From a land down under

by **muflon** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:06 pm

muflon wrote:Edit by i2Paq: Read this topic!

I read this topic all time but last information which daniel provided said that it would be completed last friday (7 days ago). So I want to ask politely if he can give us some updates about development proces. I don't want to be rude. Thank you very much

by **i2Paq** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:15 pm

muflon wrote:
muflon wrote:Edit by i2Paq: Read this topic!

I read this topic all time but last information which daniel provided said that it would be completed last friday (7 days ago). So I want to ask politely if he can give us some updates about development proces. I don't want to be rude. Thank you very much

When Daniel is ready the 1.4.1 will first be released to our group of beta-testers that will "stress-test" that release and any issues found will be ironed out before the 1.4.1 is made public.

by **tonyb299** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:48 pm

Guys, i have been running v1.3.4 very happily using it and telling all and sundry about how good it is.. a mate downloaded a copy and has been cursing it non stop... he downloaded v1.4.0 because, there is no link for v1.3.4 on the download page.

can a link be put on the download page for v1.3.4 before more satisfied and happy existing users end up looking like muppets when folk download v1.4.0 which i understand is still a work in progress please?

by **Qphoria** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:05 pm

http://code.google.com/p/opencart/downloads/list

by **bbmatt** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:20 pm

i2Paq - probably a good idea to remove all the argumentative stuff from this thread?
Another good idea for topics like this, is to put them in Announcements area as a 'non-reply' post, then link to a General Discussion area?

by **i2Paq** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:07 pm

bbmatt wrote:i2Paq - probably a good idea to remove all the argumentative stuff from this thread?
Another good idea for topics like this, is to put them in Announcements area as a 'non-reply' post, then link to a General Discussion area?

Thanks for the suggestion!

I was planning on doing so, just needed to be sure it was read.

As you can see I removed the last line of your reply as it would make no sence in this topic after the removal of the other reply's.

by **tony44** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:03 pm

Just reading through this post and find it alarming that there seems to be so many bugs with 1.4.0 which I have just set up. What is the advice for the new store I have set up with 1.4.0? Revert to 1.3.2 or is 1.4.1 being released shortly with bug fixes? Is 1.3.2 the most recent stable version? Also if this is the case 1.4.0 should be marked as beta or something to indicate its not a stable release.

If UAT is required I'd be happy to get involved.

So far I've has problems with Google analytics and SagePay but I'm sure there must be many more just looking through some of the posts. I'd wrongly assumed that 1.4.0 was a stable release.