Post by openhwh » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:23 pm

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I have used 2.3 git clone https://github.com/opencart/opencart.git --branch 2.3.0.2 uncompiled and it got some code errors.

Between all versions 2 and 3 which one is best? 2.2.0? And do they all receive security updates or not?

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Post by IP_CAM » Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:31 am

well, this Oc v.2.2 ( seemengly 2.2.8 ) is still beeing updated, if Problems exist,
but usually, older OC Versions are no longer supported, by official means at least.
And since OC comes for free, they have no obligation either, just be aware of that.
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It would not be of much use either, to still support former releases, in an 'ongoing' Process, like OC,
or then, it would not require any new Versions, if the old ones could be made like latest one's. :laugh:
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And the UPGRADE - Fewer has it's consequences as well, since most Users have some Extensions
or Themes installed, but usually, such Mod's will just produce a lot of errors, if a Version is upgraded.

But, better don't tell that anyone, most would not believe you anyway. ;)
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Post by thekrotek » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:47 am

I'd stay with 2.2. because 2.3 has new folder structure, which nobody asked for. Plus it has broken API sessions, which may cause you a lot of headache (but might not). 2.3 is some kind of first step to 3.0, which you shouldn't even consider installing due to tons of issues and almost zero advantages comparing to OC 2.

Short version: 2.1 or 2.2.

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Post by openhwh » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:02 am

Broken API as such?

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Post by thekrotek » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:18 am

openhwh wrote:
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Broken API as such?
Famous "You don't have permission to access API" error. It appears a lot in 2.3 due to broken sessions. Also all external API calls are broken due to this.

Doesn't mean you will encounter this issue for sure. Might not be even aware of it.

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Post by schiggi » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:11 pm

thekrotek wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:18 am
openhwh wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:02 am
Broken API as such?
Famous "You don't have permission to access API" error. It appears a lot in 2.3 due to broken sessions. Also all external API calls are broken due to this.
What exactly is broken with the API sessions? Would you mind pointing to the the Github issues, which explain, what is wrong exactly?

I am only aware of the IP session problem, that takes the client IPs in the validation process. So for people with dynamic IPs that poses a big difficulty.

Are there other problems introduced in OC2.3?

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Post by thekrotek » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:59 pm

schiggi wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:11 pm
What exactly is broken with the API sessions? Would you mind pointing to the the Github issues, which explain, what is wrong exactly?
Sorry, but I stopped reporting OpenCart bugs a long time ago due to rude responses from developer. And I'm not the only one.
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I am only aware of the IP session problem, that takes the client IPs in the validation process. So for people with dynamic IPs that poses a big difficulty.
It's not an error, it's just a nature of OpenCart API, which is completely useless and ill-thought from the start. Dynamic IPs are all over today.
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Are there other problems introduced in OC2.3?
Yes, they were. API sessions are broken in 2.3 since 2.2, they're created but not maintained properly. It was reported a long time ago, even on Github, but will never be fixed for 2.0 apparently.

But even if you manage to fix some API requests, others will fail. There're issues, when shipping or payment methods are not applied properly due to the same API session bugs. On certain server configurations, but still.

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Post by schiggi » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:14 pm

Thanks for the quick reply.

I absolutely agree on the rude communication. Doesn't really help the project. Nevertheless, he did a good job in creating Opencart in the first place. And recently with the new OC version, something seems to move forward. At least.

Changing the shopping cart system is not really an option, as I guess, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Moreover, if changing, then to something, which uses more modern frameworks and development processes like e.g. reactioncommerce.com. However, not mature enough for our needs.

As for the API bugs: Could you find out, what server configurations are a problem? We are migrating from 2.1 to 2.3 and eventually to 3, if it will be stable in the future. If there are API problems, we were thinking of taking the sessions code of OC3. As far as I can see, that would be drop-in replacement.

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Post by openhwh » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:35 am

Quote `Sorry, but I stopped reporting OpenCart bugs a long time ago due to rude responses from developer. And I'm not the only one.`

That is silly in my opinion. Irregardless of Daniel rudeness if any, unless we as community collaborate OC wont reach its full potential.

If you not happy with a direction that Open Cart is taking, lets talk about forking it.

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Post by gob33 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:06 am

Another way is OC Overclocked, which continues OC1.5 series with many updates taken from 2.x.
I can tell it is solid and bug checked.

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Post by gunner86 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:17 am

IP_CAM wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:31 am
well, this Oc v.2.2 ( seemengly 2.2.8 ) is still beeing updated,
why 2.2.8 is said ? and except v2.2.0 i dont see any new version of 2.2 ... beacuse i m thinking of installing this version , after i read abit version 3 ...

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Post by IP_CAM » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:27 am

Well, I was mentioning the clerkscart v.2.2.8, it is based on default v.2.2, and the
latest 2.2.8 has seemengly several misses fixed, found over the time. So, I assume,
it would be worth it, to take a look, instead of trying to find misses with a stock 2.2.0,
wich sure never received any of them, as I am aware of ... ! :D
You could always use Evgenii-v's Github Page, to find out, what has been fixed in the
different updates, and then implement the fixes into a Stock v.2.2 ! ;)
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Post by gunner86 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:53 am

IP_CAM wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:27 am
Well, I was mentioning the clerkscart v.2.2.8, it is based on default v.2.2, and the
latest 2.2.8 has seemengly several misses fixed, found over the time. So, I assume,
it would be worth it, to take a look, instead of trying to find misses with a stock 2.2.0,
wich sure never received any of them, as I am aware of ... ! :D
You could always use Evgenii-v's Github Page, to find out, what has been fixed in the
different updates, and then implement the fixes into a Stock v.2.2 ! ;)
Ernie
https://github.com/Evgenii-v/clerkscart/releases
ok Ernie , i got lots of good suggest from you and of course i will make it again ... i was looking for a new version of OC 2 or 3 , but will be better to use stable one everytime . i will try it . thanks ...

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Post by IP_CAM » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:08 am

but will be better to use stable one everytime .

Well, if there ever would be a stable one, but so far, the last real stable Version
is probably the one I use ... :laugh:
But OC is an ongoing Development, and if one chooses to be part of the free testers,
it's not sure OC's Problem. As more as take part of it, as sooner errors and misses are
found, by nature of things.
But they NEVER assured anyone, get a bug-free Software, for free, just never forget this.
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